Is Christianity a Threat?

[Viggy]

Dude, you are astoundingly naive.

Make a better argument then that please, because I know of a lot of historical homosexual practices that only ended when Christianity arrived.

One example: among the Aboriginal peoples of North America there were "spiritually transgendered" people, and the sex rites involing these people were put down by the European settlers because they considered it sinful.

 

[Ser Gregor]

Dude, you are astoundingly naive.

Before the Abrahamic religions homosexuality was commonly practiced and socially acceptable among most civilizations. His point is valid.

 

[Trakon]

Religion is the easiest excuse in the world though, and without the influence of the Abrahamic religions, it I bet there wouldn't be laws against homosexual marriage.

So is that why Hitler killed them?

Because of religion?

He killed them because they were different, same reason why man has been killing man for a long time.

"You belong to Bear Clan, I belong to Eagle Clan. You die."

"No you die."

*Futile fighting begins*

EDIT: Didn't see Nexus' post.
Yep it was socially acceptable during those days. But couldn't there be some secret group who disliked them and killed them because of it? There had to have been some random clique who hated and despised homosexuality.

 

[Brandon Rhea]

Dude, you are astoundingly naive.

If that's all you can say without providing a counterargument, don't bother with the personal comments. There's useless and only serve to make you look bad.

 

[Demiurge]

Before the Abrahamic religions homosexuality was commonly practiced and socially acceptable among most civilizations. His point is valid.

Okay, religion aside, I've seen non-religious people beat the crap out of gays, and I've seen firsthand my own family members, particularly female, be subject to sexism and prejudices. This was in the business industry. I don't believe for one second that the world's attitude would be any different with or without religion.

 

[Brandon Rhea]

Okay, religion aside, I've seen non-religious people beat the crap out of gays, and I've seen firsthand my own family members, particularly female, be subject to sexism and prejudices. This was in the business industry. I don't believe for one second that the world's attitude would be any different with or without religion.

Go to the root of the problem and find out where the stigma came from. You'll find it came from Abrahamic religious laws.

Religion has had an influence on both religious and non-religious people. You don't have to believe in God to have had your views been influenced by it.

 

[Viggy]

So is that why Hitler killed them?

Because of religion?

He killed them because they were different, same reason why man has been killing man for a long time.

"You belong to Bear Clan, I belong to Eagle Clan. You die."

"No you die."

*Futile fighting begins*

Hitler didn't just kill them, he used them for political and economic gains. Politically, they were a scapegoat and a "common enemy" for him to unite Germany against - united under his total authority, of course.

And economically, the slave labour provided by those Jews who were strong enough to do it helped Nazi German companies complete projects. There's a reason they didn't all just go straight to the gas chambers.

 

[Brandon Rhea]

I just want to point out that Hitler didn't care the slightest bit about religion. He didn't care that the Jews were of the Jewish religion, despite the fact that some people claimed it was revenge for the death of Jesus. That can't be true, since he despised Christianity. He believed that Christianity took the warrior spirit of Germany and turned the people into pansies.

 

[Trakon]

Hitler didn't just kill them, he used them for political and economic gains. Politically, they were a scapegoat and a "common enemy" for him to unite Germany against - united under his total authority, of course.

And economically, the slave labour provided by those Jews who were strong enough to do it helped Nazi German companies complete projects. There's a reason they didn't all just go straight to the gas chambers.

Let's not forget everyone else he put into those work camps:
Swing Kids
Jews
Czechs
Austrians
Gays
Gipsies
And many, many more!

 

[Sovereign]

Did you just make a comparison to Hitler in an internet debate?

Woah, that's totally new.

 

[Trakon]

Did you just make a comparison to Hitler in an internet debate?

Woah, that's totally new.

I haven't used Satan in Comparison to Obama yet, so that's a good sign.

 

[Viggy]

Let's not forget everyone else he put into those work camps:
Swing Kids
Jews
Czechs
Austrians
Gays
Gipsies
And many, many more!

Yes, we definetely shouldn't forget them.

What's your point? He used all of them for the same political and economic gains I mentioned before... I bet he didn't even hold any real hate for some of those groups (especially since HE WAS AUSTRIAN). It was all about gaining power and getting shit done in the most brutal, inhumane way.

 

[Trakon]

Yes, we definetely shouldn't forget them.

What's your point? He used all of them for the same political and economic gains I mentioned before... I bet he didn't even hold any real hate for some of those groups (especially since HE WAS AUSTRIAN). It was all about gaining power and getting shit done in the most brutal, inhumane way.

He killed them for power, not religion. He's one of the biggest things that come to mind when you think of mass murdering, although I wouldn't forget the SS hands in it all, and Abrahamic religion didn't cause all of it.

It was his lust for power that turned him into what he was.

((I almost directly qoute Ep3 there.))

 

[Sovereign]

Both the Catholic and Lutheran Church supported Hitler.

 

[Viggy]

He killed them for power, not religion. He's one of the biggest things that come to mind when you think of mass murdering, although I wouldn't forget the SS hands in it all, and Abrahamic religion didn't cause all of it.

It was his lust for power that turned him into what he was.

((I almost directly qoute Ep3 there.))

But he needed the support of the German people to come into power and do that shit. And how do you think he got that?

Instilling prejudice, BASED ON RELIGION, among the common people.

 

[Trakon]

Both the Catholic and Lutheran Church supported Hitler.

Scared of reprisal.

EDIT @ Viggy:
But my point was it wasn't just religion. It was anyone who went against him, not just Jews.

 

[Viggy]

Scared of reprisal.

That's no excuse.

 

[Demiurge]

That's no excuse.

And yet, were they the source?

 

[Sovereign]

And yet, were they the source?

They helped.

 

[Caleb]

Both the Catholic and Lutheran Church supported Hitler.

That's quite the misleading statement. A number of Catholics and Lutherans also formed widespread resistance groups. Most notably, of course, Dietrich Bonhoeffer.