Hyper-Gate (Jump Gate)

[Loco]

"lol exists in eu suck it" Me: Well that makes sense, I gueeess

Fair enough... Maybe we do terminator rules with it? Everything that comes through must be organic?

Something along those lines, to prevent it from being used as an instantaneous-pinpoint-accurate-unlimited-range-no-line-of-site-required bomb delivery system. I'd restrict its range, or accuracy, or otherwise make it so as you can't teleport to the interior of specific ships or structures. Even then I think it's hugely powerful and ripe for nonsense. This is SWRP- someone will find a way to abuse the hell out of this.

 

[Outlander]

Well, before we go into the issues with it as a piece of tech, I think the best course of action would be seeing if @Mad Dog is able to submit this tech yet, considering that other faction's are attempting to work with the Gree as well.

 

[Mad Dog]

The EU still exists. Disney didn't buy up every copy of every EU book or comic or cartoon and destroy/replace it 1984 style- they're just not making themselves beholden to it for newly released stories. We can still draw inspiration from it for things here on the site, but what we cannot do is just say "lol exists in EU suck it" as a justification for something. The Suncrusher and ysalamiri exist in EU, but that doesn't mean we can recreate them as-is here.

We still have to concern ourselves with things like balance, and (to bring ourselves back on topic) that more than anything is my main concern with this tech- it's wildly, ridiculously, absurdly unbalanced as written.

What you called "wildly, ridiculously, absurdly unbalanced" was the ability to precisely jump to a specific location? This technology is very close to the already existing hyper-drives we all have on our ships.

And also you stated:

What would prevent a forward observer from transmitting target coordinates to the gates handler? You could, with minimal investment, basically auto win any significant battles for territories or installation. You can instantly destroy any armory or fuel dump or garrison you know the location of, drop troops directly into the Senate chambers or military HQ, the emperor's throne room, etc...

I don't see this being admitted, just from a balance perspective, without significant neefing.

There is nothing to prevent us from jumping a ship into those listed locations either, it might mean suicide, but it would also auto kill anything there.

This is capable of bypassing mass shadows, meaning whatever goes through wont get stuck in a solid chunk of matter, preventing the user from being spliced into a rock.

 

[Mad Dog]

Something along those lines, to prevent it from being used as an instantaneous-pinpoint-accurate-unlimited-range-no-line-of-site-required bomb delivery system. I'd restrict its range, or accuracy, or otherwise make it so as you can't teleport to the interior of specific ships or structures. Even then I think it's hugely powerful and ripe for nonsense. This is SWRP- someone will find a way to abuse the hell out of this.

"make it so as you can't teleport to the interior of specific ships or structures."

I like this idea, and think that'd be fine. Though like I said, we could do the same with a ship. Also this isn't open tech.

Well, before we go into the issues with it as a piece of tech, I think the best course of action would be seeing if @Mad Dog is able to submit this tech yet, considering that other faction's are attempting to work with the Gree as well.

@Outlander, you quoted my message about that, we've completed the requisites and it was long enough ago that no other faction was able to contend it, I already have permission to begin this process.

 

[Loco]

What you called "wildly, ridiculously, absurdly unbalanced" was the ability to precisely jump to a specific location? This technology is very close to the already existing hyper-drives we all have on our ships.


There is nothing to prevent us from jumping a ship into those listed locations either, it might mean suicide, but it would also auto kill anything there.

This is capable of bypassing mass shadows, meaning whatever goes through wont get stuck in a solid chunk of matter, preventing the user from being spliced into a rock.

Hyperdrives do not allow you to instantaneously jump from one end of the galaxy directly into the Emperors throne room. And I have a feeling using unmanned Starfighters as insta-kill superweapons by means of hyperspace jumps is going to be a big fat NO.

This kind of balance issue is exactly why the tech boards have undergone so many changes over the years.

Also this isn't open tech.

Making you the most dangerous faction in the Galaxy overnight and turning the story into a giant game of "Don't let the Protectorate find you".

I like the concept- hyperdrive for foot soldiers. But it has to have some sort of balancing measures.

 

[Outlander]

@Outlander, you quoted my message about that, we've completed the requisites and it was long enough ago that no other faction was able to contend it, I already have permission to begin this process.

Not to doubt you, but I did a quick search for mentions of the Gree on the site. From what I found, the last protectorate mission completed on the 12th of this month. The Sith completed their own Gree mission this past Monday, the 26th, which was the final day for them to do so. I'm not connected to your group or the Sith, so I might be wrong, but wouldn't the Sith be able to contest your control of Gree?

 

[Sarah]

That would be fun, admitedly.

 

[Mad Dog]

Not to doubt you, but I did a quick search for mentions of the Gree on the site. From what I found, the last protectorate mission completed on the 12th of this month. The Sith completed their own Gree mission this past Monday, the 26th, which was the final day for them to do so. I'm not connected to your group or the Sith, so I might be wrong, but wouldn't the Sith be able to contest your control of Gree?

We were completed on the 11th. I don't know what the Sith did, or when they did it, but apparently we were first and have been granted the resource perk of the planet.

I will tag @Arclight to confirm this to you.

 

[Mad Dog]

Hyperdrives do not allow you to instantaneously jump from one end of the galaxy directly into the Emperors throne room. And I have a feeling using unmanned Starfighters as insta-kill superweapons by means of hyperspace jumps is going to be a big fat NO.

This kind of balance issue is exactly why the tech boards have undergone so many changes over the years.



Making you the most dangerous faction in the Galaxy overnight and turning the story into a giant game of "Don't let the Protectorate find you".

I like the concept- hyperdrive for foot soldiers. But it has to have some sort of balancing measures.

The word "instantaneously" is not in this write up as it would still take some time for whatever was transported to go through hyperspace and arrive at its destination.

Also I've added a part about not being able to be transported onto any ship or into any existing structure because I agree with your, more aggressive than not, reasoning on the subject.

 

[Sarah]

It maybe was a bit aggressive...

 

[Loco]

Also I've added a part about not being able to be transported onto any ship or into any existing structure because I agree with your, more aggressive than not, reasoning on the subject.

I think that's a reasonable starting point at least. I'll defer to the tech mods from here.

It maybe was a bit aggressive...

I'm not being aggressive, I'm just making a point. You want to read a little aggression, go look up some of Jiang or Kiro's old tech debates.

 

[Sarah]

Hey, man, all I'm saying is that the big fat NO part could have had a bit more poise in it's wording, I'm not saying you were some kind of T-total jackbottom, I was just agreeing that it could have been put a liiittle bit nicer. I'm sure it wasn't your intention though.

 

[Jabonicus]

Eh.

One of the things that's always been a problem in Star Wars is getting people where they need to be. Yes, giant ships could get close via hyperdrive, but getting soldiers into places they needed to be have been a driving force of conflict. Hell, we see it in Episode IV. The Empire had the better ships, faster, better weaponry, but when it came to getting soldiers on the Tantive IV? They had to force them through a chokepoint just like anyone else.

This really seems a bit like teleportation to me. You know, 'beam me up, Scotty.' To me, that's never been particularly Star Wars-ey.

Personally I'm opposed to a tech item like this.

 

[Undine]

This is SWRP- someone will find a way to abuse the hell out of this.

Such as sending large amounts of radioactive heavy metals into the star of one of your opponent's main worlds, causing it to become unstable and most likely destroying that entire star system from the comfort of wherever the hell you are. I don't think anyone would abuse this tech. Also, I seem to remember that Death Star level weapons/tech are not allowed on the site, just can't seem to find the exact rule stating so.​

 

[Sarah]

@Undine I think it says so somewhere to, I remember reading it somewhere around here *looking through files*

 

[Ulysses]

Cue "I'm no expert, but..." post. Feel free to ignore if nonsense.

I'm no expert on tech, Gree or otherwise, but two things jump out at me.
First, don't ship hyperdrives go with the ship? Catapulting something strikes me as fundamentally different to propelling it.
Second, the obvious way to avoid all the balance problems highlighted above would be to make it a portal network system that requires one at each end. Admittedly that would transform it from an offensive to defensive tech, but might that be a price worth paying to have such a cool piece of tech at all?

Thanks for humouring me.

 

[Dark child]

Normally I'm one to root for the underdog which is the Kjlljk Protectorate in this case, and you are my friend, so you've got that bias going for you.
I'm just going to be brutally honest here- This seems OP.

If this technology did exist it would make hyperspace travel obsolete almost overnight. You would be able to transport any object or person to a destination almost instantly. Regardless of what restrictions you place on what can pass through it I just find it difficult to believe.
If the events in The Story are 1000 years before The phantom Menace, then it stands to reason that they would have perfected this technology immensely. There would be almost no reason for ships, and The Return of the Jedi would have ended with thousands of stormtroopers materializing out of these jump gates to decimate the meager Rebel forces on Endor.​

 

[Clayton]

Yes, to echo everyone's sentiments above. This thread is ultimately going nowhere nice, so I'm inclined to archive it.