Gun Crimes and the US Constitution

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Gun Politics, the political aspects of gun control and firearms rights, has long been among the most controversial and intractable issues in American politics. At the heart of this debate is the relationship between the rights of the citizen and the Government's duty to provide for the common defense versus the Government's authority to regulate firearms and duty to maintain order.

Gun politics in the United States, viewed in its simplest form, addresses three questions. "First, does the Constitution permit federal, state, or local regulation of individual firearms ownership? Second, do such laws effectively and materially reduce violent crime? And third, what further regulations are needed?"

Key to this issue is the Second Amendment, which is interpreted by supporters of gun rights as enshrining an individual right, and by advocates of gun control as referring to a right of the people to arm themselves only when bonded together for communal defense. A consensus of legal opinion does support the federal regulation of firearms.

The history of enactment of gun regulation legislation is characterized by repetitive cycles of popular outrage, action and reaction usually in response to sensational shootings. The first modern gun regulation, the 1911 Sullivan Act in New York State emerged in reaction to an attempt to murder New York City Mayor William Jay Gaynor. The shooting deaths of Senator Robert F. Kennedy and the Reverend Martin Luther King, Jr. led to public outrage and the political action with enactment of the federal Gun Control Act of 1968. Supporters of individual gun rights have resisted nearly all these regulation efforts, often spearheaded by the National Rifle Association. This outrage-action-reaction cyclical pattern reflects an essential core value conflict at the center of the gun politics issue.

Now, as a new generation of gun wielding gangs, thugs, hitmen and even the insane, the United States, once again has to ask questions of its aging Constitution.

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Ban guns - problem goes away.

Proof...Canada has a ban on guns...One school shooting in about 20 years.

Britain ban on guns - 1 school shooting in 15 years

america has guns - One school shooting every 6 months

Commen sense ftw
 

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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Matt @ Apr 16 2007, 10:57 PM) [snapback]159609[/snapback]</div>
Ban guns - problem goes away.[/b]

You cant say all the problems will disapear... It will reduce crimes, for sure, but those who are determind to get a gun will always find one on the black market.
 

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badadadadada i smell stupidity!!!!!!!!!!

this will be one of the super few posts i will put in ze debate forum..

Simply saying 'k guns are banned, kthanks bai2u citizens" isnt going to stop anything.
Governments did that with Alcohol during prohibition...didn't work. They did it with Marijuana, Cocaine, Ectasy, Heroine, LSD, Morphine, and countless other drugs.....and it didn't work.

So simply banning guns wont do shit, so dont just say that, when really all your trying to do is to brag about your fantastic little country, and put USA down.

Im not even originally from here man, but shit, how much of this biased bullshit can we take?
 

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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Matt @ Apr 16 2007, 05:57 PM) [snapback]159609[/snapback]</div>
Ban guns - problem goes away.

Proof...Canada has a ban on guns...One school shooting in about 20 years.

Britain ban on guns - 1 school shooting in 15 years

america has guns - One school shooting every 6 months

Commen sense ftw[/b]

If the shootings are still occuring, how has the problem gone away?

BTW, it should be a logical fallacy to compare anything that happens in Canada to America. American society is drastically different.
 

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I wrote a poem about the Columbine High School massacre. Wasn't anything amazing, just a sign of respect.

Gun crimes are an issue. we need to put a ban on them...and this year I think...Though I'm from the UK, so I don't know much on this subject with American laws.
 

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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Rain @ Apr 16 2007, 06:03 PM) [snapback]159616[/snapback]</div>
I wrote a poem about the Columbine High School massacre. Wasn't anything amazing, just a sign of respect.

Gun crimes are an issue. we need to put a ban on them...and this year I think...Though I'm from the UK, so I don't know much on this subject with American laws.[/b]

Who is WE? Aren't you in England? You cant ban guns in America.
 

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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Matt @ Apr 16 2007, 10:57 PM) [snapback]159609[/snapback]</div>
Ban guns - problem goes away.

Proof...Canada has a ban on guns...One school shooting in about 20 years.

Britain ban on guns - 1 school shooting in 15 years

america has guns - One school shooting every 6 months

Commen sense ftw[/b]


I'd have to agree. Here (Britain) I've never heard of a gun related crime this big, as long as i can remember, which admittedly isn't that long. But in the last couple of years, I've heard of more and worse gun crimes in america than pretty much any i can pick out of my memory of britain...

In fact the worst gun crimes i can remember in britain have to be the recent spree of gun related crimes, murders right now, in london, which is or was about 3 in a couple of months. This college shooting was what, 30, 31?

I reckon a complete ban of guns is simply a good idea, like Mat said; common sense.
 

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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Feris Kai @ Apr 16 2007, 11:02 PM) [snapback]159615[/snapback]</div>
If the shootings are still occuring, how has the problem gone away?

BTW, it should be a logical fallacy to compare anything that happens in Canada to America. American society is drastically different.[/b]


Wow...Did you read my post.

6 months....15 years....What would you rather have?

Now I have nothing against america and many times I have made it clear, no problems wiht your country but I hate your government.

Now what I am saying is that you need to ban guns in order to keep the problem down....I won't go away that was a stupid comment by me but whats more important...Lives or hunting? Or crazy people thinking they need protection.
 

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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(The Agriculturist @ Apr 16 2007, 06:02 PM) [snapback]159614[/snapback]</div>
Im not even originally from here man, but shit, how much of this biased bullshit can we take?[/b]

Bias? You mean like this:

Now, as a new generation of gun wielding gangs, thugs, hitmen and even the insane, the United States, once again has to ask questions of its aging Constitution.[/b]
 

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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(The Agriculturist @ Apr 16 2007, 11:02 PM) [snapback]159614[/snapback]</div>
badadadadada i smell stupidity!!!!!!!!!!

this will be one of the super few posts i will put in ze debate forum..

Simply saying 'k guns are banned, kthanks bai2u citizens" isnt going to stop anything.
Governments did that with Alcohol during prohibition...didn't work. They did it with Marijuana, Cocaine, Ectasy, Heroine, LSD, Morphine, and countless other drugs.....and it didn't work.

So simply banning guns wont do shit, so dont just say that, when really all your trying to do is to brag about your fantastic little country, and put USA down.

Im not even originally from here man, but shit, how much of this biased bullshit can we take?[/b]


Get out of the debate forum if all your posts are like that please.
 

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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Matt @ Apr 16 2007, 06:06 PM) [snapback]159620[/snapback]</div>
Wow...Did you read my post.

6 months....15 years....What would you rather have?

Now I have nothing against america and many times I have made it clear, no problems wiht your country but I hate your government.

Now what I am saying is that you need to ban guns in order to keep the problem down....I won't go away that was a stupid comment by me but whats more important...Lives or hunting?[/b]

Hunting ... with Dick Cheney
 

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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Feris Kai @ Apr 16 2007, 11:06 PM) [snapback]159621[/snapback]</div>
Bias? You mean like this:[/b]


Dude, it's the truth and you know it....All our countries have problems with gangs and thugs
 

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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Feris Kai @ Apr 16 2007, 06:06 PM) [snapback]159621[/snapback]</div>
Bias? You mean like this:[/b]

What Jetzt said was not bias. It was a perfectly valid statement. We should ALWAYS be looking at the Constitution to see if it still fits in today's society.
 

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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Feris Kai @ Apr 16 2007, 11:04 PM) [snapback]159617[/snapback]</div>
Who is WE? Aren't you in England? You cant ban guns in America.[/b]

We, as in we put some action in. Though I'm just offering an idea. But if you wanna let nuts run about with guns, be my guest.

As for me, I'm against that stuff.
 

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Just cuz the Constitution is 200 years old, doesn't mean our gov't hasn't changed since 200 yrs ago. Our Constitution is a living document and it has changed over time to make amends for things changing in society. I don't recall anything in the Constitution about abortion, yet we have made a law on abortion based on what was said 200 years ago, about what America was founded on and what it stand for. We have an amendment about quartering British troops, but we haven't deleted it from the Constitution. And we won't delete the part that says "the right of the people to keep and bear Arms (aka guns), shall not be infringed"

SHALL NOT BE INFRINGED PEOPLE!!!!!
 

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The world is compeltely different from what america's founding fathers could off ever imagined.
 

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Simply saying 'k guns are banned, kthanks bai2u citizens" isnt going to stop anything.
Governments did that with Alcohol during prohibition...didn't work. They did it with Marijuana, Cocaine, Ectasy, Heroine, LSD, Morphine, and countless other drugs.....and it didn't work.[/b]
There is a difference between banning a lethal weapon that the majority of people wont go out looking for, drugs that only dickheads take and enjoying yourself with a few pints. Banning Alcohol was a stupid idea but everyone likes a good drink now and then... not everyone wants to pop a cap in someones ass or get high on some shit that will make you feel like you have been smacked in the bollocks after the initial kick.

Its also worth pointing out that people can be charged, fined, arrested and locked up for being in posession of drugs and other illegal goods... Arresting someone for being in the posession of a potentially dengerous item can only help cut down, detour and keep track of those who may be mad enough to use them.

So simply banning guns wont do shit, so dont just say that, when really all your trying to do is to brag about your fantastic little country, and put USA down.

Im not even originally from here man, but shit, how much of this biased bullshit can we take?[/b]

What the fuck are you talking about? I'm not trying to put down the US, just trying to state facts. America has more gun crimes than any other country... That is a fact and by denying and standing by your 200 year old constitution because its your right to dress up like Rambo is not doing much for the quality of life in your country.
 

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Amendments are never deleted. More amendments are simply added that override previous ones.

Also, you spoke of "the right of the people". Back then, in order to be considered "the people" you had to be a white male land owner. Just keep that in mind.
 
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