Glenn Beck show ending.

[Brandon Rhea]

FOX News announced yesterday that Glenn Beck's weekday television show on the network will come to an end at the end of 2011 (which some may also call the beginning of...2012. COINCIDENCE?!). He's being kept on to be a commentator and to develop and produce new shows, just like Dan Rather was at CBS...because he totally wasn't pushed out the door at all.

Remember kids, don't let things like facts and evidence get in your way. Search your feelings and find the truth within you. Real truth comes from the gut.

 

[Enishi]

About time... the guy is insane.

 

[Malon]

I'm not going to comment, despite my urge to. Not a lot of people like Glenn. I happen to respect him, but hey, this is America. Everyone is allowed their opinions.

 

[Brandon Rhea]

I'm not going to comment, despite my urge to. Not a lot of people like Glenn. I happen to respect him, but hey, this is America. Everyone is allowed their opinions.

I don't understand how anyone can respect fear mongering and baseless conspiracy theories.

 

[Malon]

I don't understand how anyone can respect fear mongering and baseless conspiracy theories.

Simple; in my opinion, they aren't baseless, they aren't fear mongering, and they aren't conspiracy theories. That beings said, my first words hint to the heart of the argument; its my opinion. You clearly have yours. That's what makes this country tick, after all.

 

[Brandon Rhea]

Simple; in my opinion, they aren't baseless, they aren't fear mongering, and they aren't conspiracy theories. That beings said, my first words hint to the heart of the argument; its my opinion. You clearly have yours. That's what makes this country tick, after all.

Yes, you can hide behind "It's my opinion," but when you're blatantly wrong then you're blatantly wrong. Glenn Beck doesn't speak in facts, he speaks in conspiracy theories.

He riles up the extremes of the right by telling them that we're currently living in a Marxist and Islamic plot to destroy America and yet offers no proof for anything he says, save for drawing lines on a chalkboard between George Soros and anything Beck happens to disagree with.

 

[Malon]

Umm....pardon my ignorance, but, don't most Islamic Extremists, such as the Iranian president WANT to destroy America? And if I remember correctly, Soros says America must be removed in order to create the new world order, so that can't be entirely false anyways.

 

[Brandon Rhea]

Umm....pardon my ignorance, but, don't most Islamic Extremists, such as the Iranian president WANT to destroy America? And if I remember correctly, Soros says America must be removed in order to create the new world order, so that can't be entirely false anyways.

Except good ol' Glenn likes to try and link the left to these Islamic plots, such as allowing sharia law, to suggest that the left is out to destroy America.

And when it comes to George Soros, what Beck does with Soros is find anything Beck doesn't like and then connect it to Soros. It's liberal and it disagrees with Glenn Beck, therefore it's connected to George Soros and is out to destroy America.

 

[Malon]

Except good ol' Glenn likes to try and link the left to these Islamic plots, such as allowing sharia law, to suggest that the left is out to destroy America.

And when it comes to George Soros, what Beck does with Soros is find anything Beck doesn't like and then connect it to Soros. It's liberal and it disagrees with Glenn Beck, therefore it's connected to George Soros and is out to destroy America.

I'm a little iffy when it comes to Soros. I mean, I found his impersonations of Soros as Palpatine hilarious.

"Young fool, only now, at the end, do you understand!"

He's constantly quoting that.

Anywho, on topic. Linking the left to Islamic plots is hard to do, and I go with Glenn's who, do the research yourself thing and come up with my own opinions. Its clear Islamics extremist want sharia law in America, they've stated it hundreds of times.

Its clear that the left is reaching out to the Islamic community, which is their only connection at best. Personally, I don't like either group Glenn or no Glenn. I disliked them before I even heard of Glenn beck. (To clarify, I'm not talking about Islamics in general, just the extremists)

However, do I think that there is some secret plot to overthrow America and establish a one world government? No. Eventually, it will happen (the one world government) but I think it will come about willingly by the world's citizens. Don't ask me why I believe that, because its a whole other topic on its own.

 

[Brandon Rhea]

I'm a little iffy when it comes to Soros. I mean, I found his impersonations of Soros as Palpatine hilarious.

"Young fool, only now, at the end, do you understand!"

He's constantly quoting that.

Anywho, on topic. Linking the left to Islamic plots is hard to do, and I go with Glenn's who, do the research yourself thing and come up with my own opinions. Its clear Islamics extremist want sharia law in America, they've stated it hundreds of times.

Its clear that the left is reaching out to the Islamic community, which is their only connection at best. Personally, I don't like either group Glenn or no Glenn. I disliked them before I even heard of Glenn beck. (To clarify, I'm not talking about Islamics in general, just the extremists)

However, do I think that there is some secret plot to overthrow America and establish a one world government? No. Eventually, it will happen (the one world government) but I think it will come about willingly by the world's citizens. Don't ask me why I believe that, because its a whole other topic on its own.

I also believe there will be one government or, at the very least, a collection of EU-type states sometime in the far future. It'll be peaceful and democratic, and it'll be because the world is ready for it.

There's nothing wrong with the left reaching out to the Islamic community. The vast vast vast vast vast vast vast vast vast vast vast vast vast vast vast vast vast vast vast vast vast vast vast vast vast vast vast vast vast vast vast vast vast vast vast vast vast vast vast vast vast vast vast vast vast vast vast vast vast vast vast vast vast vast vast vast vast vast vast vast vast vast vast vast vast vast vast vast vast vast vast vast vast vast vast vast vast vast vast vast vast majority of Muslims are good people. They're people just like you and me working to make a living, to feed their families, etc. They have nothing to do with terrorists or extremism. I'm frankly tired of the Muslim slander.

Do Muslim extremists want sharia law in the US? Yes. Will there ever be sharia law in the US? NO! It's 100% incompatible with the Constitution, so the fact that people in this country worry about it is ridiculous.

Also, here are some other things about Glenn Beck, if you still believe he's not a raging lunatic. Just this past Wednesday (April 6th), Beck said these gems:

*Union leaders are communists, socialists, or revolutionaries who are out to destroy western society
*He speculated that Obama chose to prosecute the 9/11 suspects at Gitmo in order to piss off the Muslim world
*Obama is a player in a global Islamic plot
*He would put Obama in prison
*Students protesting in Wisconsin are communists and Lenin's useful idiots

That was all in one day.

Last Friday he accused the left of working with terrorists and then talked about a bunch of crap about how the US was being influenced by sharia law, both of which are false.

Since that's all in less than a week, I don't think I need to go any further.

 

[Malon]

I also believe there will be one government or, at the very least, a collection of EU-type states sometime in the far future. It'll be peaceful and democratic, and it'll be because the world is ready for it.

There's nothing wrong with the left reaching out to the Islamic community. The vast vast vast vast vast vast vast vast vast vast vast vast vast vast vast vast vast vast vast vast vast vast vast vast vast vast vast vast vast vast vast vast vast vast vast vast vast vast vast vast vast vast vast vast vast vast vast vast vast vast vast vast vast vast vast vast vast vast vast vast vast vast vast vast vast vast vast vast vast vast vast vast vast vast vast vast vast vast vast vast vast majority of Muslims are good people. They're people just like you and me working to make a living, to feed their families, etc. They have nothing to do with terrorists or extremism. I'm frankly tired of the Muslim slander.

Do Muslim extremists want sharia law in the US? Yes. Will there ever be sharia law in the US? NO! It's 100% incompatible with the Constitution, so the fact that people in this country worry about it is ridiculous.

Also, here are some other things about Glenn Beck, if you still believe he's not a raging lunatic. Just this past Wednesday (April 6th), Beck said these gems:

*Union leaders are communists, socialists, or revolutionaries who are out to destroy western society
*He speculated that Obama chose to prosecute the 9/11 suspects at Gitmo in order to piss off the Muslim world
*Obama is a player in a global Islamic plot
*He would put Obama in prison
*Students protesting in Wisconsin are communists and Lenin's useful idiots

That was all in one day.

Last Friday he accused the left of working with terrorists and then talked about a bunch of crap about how the US was being influenced by sharia law, both of which are false.

Since that's all in less than a week, I don't think I need to go any further.

Of all of this, I only agree with two; Number one was a point you made. I'm tired of the Muslim slander. I do not believe that all Muslims want to the destruction of the world as we know it. I'm a Christian personally, and have beliefs differently than the Muslims, but unlike other so-called Christians, like that Florida reverent who burned a Koran, I do not hate or feel strong anger with the Muslim community as a whole. Just the small small small small small small portion that is causing terror and violence.

The other thing I agree with is that SOME of the students protesting in Wisconsin are communists. I wouldn't believe that if some random person told me, but I've seen video on the television coverage of them where they are carrying a communist flag. I mean, sure it may be innocent, but really? If they don't want to be linked with communism, then they need to get rid of the flags.

 

[Brandon Rhea]

Of all of this, I only agree with two; Number one was a point you made. I'm tired of the Muslim slander. I do not believe that all Muslims want to the destruction of the world as we know it. I'm a Christian personally, and have beliefs differently than the Muslims, but unlike other so-called Christians, like that Florida reverent who burned a Koran, I do not hate or feel strong anger with the Muslim community as a whole. Just the small small small small small small portion that is causing terror and violence.

The other thing I agree with is that SOME of the students protesting in Wisconsin are communists. I wouldn't believe that if some random person told me, but I've seen video on the television coverage of them where they are carrying a communist flag. I mean, sure it may be innocent, but really? If they don't want to be linked with communism, then they need to get rid of the flags.

Who cares if there are communists? That doesn't make the entire movement against the destruction of collective bargaining communist.

The simple fact of the matter is that the economic successes of capitalism in today's world and throughout the 20th Century wouldn't have been possible without the introduction of unions and other social mechanisms to end the horrible exploitation of workers during the Industrial Revolution, and yet today anyone who still supports them is suddenly a card carrying communist.

To that point, you mentioned being linked with communism. So there are people carrying a communist flag... OK, sure. That means that the entire group of protestors should suddenly be linked to communism?

I have a feeling that if I showed you this picture...

...and said it proved that all Tea Partiers think Obama is like Hitler, you would say that it's not a fair representation of the Tea Party as a whole.

See where I'm going with this?

 

[Jedi Hero]

Who's Glenn Beck? Any relation to Quentin Beck?

 

[Brandon Rhea]

Who's Glenn Beck? Any relation to Quentin Beck?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Glenn_Beck

 

[Malon]

Who cares if there are communists? That doesn't make the entire movement against the destruction of collective bargaining communist.

The simple fact of the matter is that the economic successes of capitalism in today's world and throughout the 20th Century wouldn't have been possible without the introduction of unions and other social mechanisms to end the horrible exploitation of workers during the Industrial Revolution, and yet today anyone who still supports them is suddenly a card carrying communist.

To that point, you mentioned being linked with communism. So there are people carrying a communist flag... OK, sure. That means that the entire group of protestors should suddenly be linked to communism?

I have a feeling that if I showed you this picture...

...and said it proved that all Tea Partiers think Obama is like Hitler, you would say that it's not a fair representation of the Tea Party as a whole.

See where I'm going with this?

I do, and I agree with you. Just the actions of a few, doesn't mean that its the view of the group as a whole. I've been to a Tea Party function in my town once, and the people there were very kind and very civil. There was no screaming, no rants, no violence and certainly no slanderous posters, whereas in other places there have been.

In short, I get your points on Glenn's views being extreme and unbelievable, however, my respect for the man comes from his personal life, how he treats his family, and those in his community. Shoot, I mean, the guy leads a good, respectful life. He's come back from alcohol addiction and whatnot. I also find it somewhat refreshing that someone in this nation is okay with standing up for their beliefs without constantly worrying if they're going to step on a few toes.

My respect can never come out of a person's political views. I always look at a person's life beyond the political. You can say what you want about me being stupid or "wrong" for thinking this way, or how Glenn is insane and therefore I shouldn't respect him at all, but that won't change my mind anymore than me defending what he says or what I believe will change yours.

 

[Brandon Rhea]

I do, and I agree with you. Just the actions of a few, doesn't mean that its the view of the group as a whole. I've been to a Tea Party function in my town once, and the people there were very kind and very civil. There was no screaming, no rants, no violence and certainly no slanderous posters, whereas in other places there have been.

In short, I get your points on Glenn's views being extreme and unbelievable, however, my respect for the man comes from his personal life, how he treats his family, and those in his community. Shoot, I mean, the guy leads a good, respectful life. He's come back from alcohol addiction and whatnot. I also find it somewhat refreshing that someone in this nation is okay with standing up for their beliefs without constantly worrying if they're going to step on a few toes.

My respect can never come out of a person's political views. I always look at a person's life beyond the political. You can say what you want about me being stupid or "wrong" for thinking this way, or how Glenn is insane and therefore I shouldn't respect him at all, but that won't change my mind anymore than me defending what he says or what I believe will change yours.

That's a bit different than how you started out this conversation, though. You spoke about how you respect him despite how people don't like him, a reference to political views. When I responded by challenging his political views, you responded to my challenge with political points of your own -- but you didn't say what you just said in your last post.

I can also respect Glenn Beck for his personal life. From all the stories he's told, he's been through a lot of struggles and came out of them, which is commendable.

Politically, though, I have absolutely no respect for him.

 

[Malon]

That's a bit different than how you started out this conversation, though. You spoke about how you respect him despite how people don't like it, a reference to political views. When I responded by challenging his political views, you responded to my challenge with political points of your own -- but you didn't say what you just said in your last post.

I can also respect Glenn Beck for his personal life. From all the stories he's told, he's been through a lot of struggles and came out of them, which is commendable.

Politically, though, I have absolutely no respect for him.

I apologize then. That was a miscommunication on my part.

Politically, I'm not quite sure what to think about him.

Too be completely fair, the political climate of this country has me mentally exhausted. There are some days I have to force myself to stop watching the news because I get so frustrated with the back and forth fighting coming from every side of the isle to the point where is almost like all sides are absolutely mudslinging at each other.

 

[Ser Yorick]

There's nothing wrong with communism, except, you know, the whole "it will never work" bit.

 

[Brandon Rhea]

I apologize then. That was a miscommunication on my part.

Politically, I'm not quite sure what to think about him.

Too be completely fair, the political climate of this country has me mentally exhausted. There are some days I have to force myself to stop watching the news because I get so frustrated with the back and forth fighting coming from every side of the isle to the point where is almost like all sides are absolutely mudslinging at each other.

I agree with you, the conversation is way too toxic. When it comes to Glenn Beck, though, he's got the clear monopoly on fear-mongering though. He riles his audience up by scaring the shit out of them and making them think that the world is going to end. He's a political demagogue in the truest Alexander Hamilton explanation Federalist Papers explanation of demagoguery in America.

It's stuff like what Beck does that has to stop. It just creates misinformed people.

There's nothing wrong with communism, except, you know, the whole "it will never work" bit.

It could never work now, but I would never say never. You never know. It's all about the societal mindset.

 

[Sandvich]

It could never work now, but I would never say never. You never know. It's all about the societal mindset.

I am a believer that all men are not inherently evil, but selfish. This is not an inherently bad thing. I firmly believe that selfish is not a negative term, it simply means self-interested. Which we all are

It is called Psychological Egoism and it basically says that all actions taken by a human are at their core, selfish. Even seemingly altruistic ones.

For example, Donating to charity or feeding the hungry. These are accepted selfless acts. I argue that they are at their base, selfish. Many people do so in order to receive a reward or avoid a negative consequence on themselves. The person donating is doing so because it makes them feel good about themselves and think "hey, i am a good person for doing that". A selfish goal. The person feeding hobos is doing so because they cannot live with the guilt of not doing so. Avoiding a negative emotion.

This also applies to many religious actions. While many people are doing altruistic things, they are doing them because they think they will be rewarded in heaven for their actions. Or at least not punished.

This isn't necessarily a bad thing. After all, the charity still receives money to aid and those poor hobos still get fed.

Now, because all humans are selfish, they respond to personal incentives. If my incentive for working is to earn money and feed myself and my family, I am going to find the best way to do that. If my family receives rations from the government and I don't have to worry about feeding them, my work ethic all but evaporates. (admittedly a narrow example, but it gets my point across)

This is why I believe that pure socialism can and will never work with a human population. I wouldn't say "Greed is Good"... but self-interested incentives are.

I would like your guys opinions on this. I have not had ample chances to debate and therefore cement this view.


Edit: Though I also agree that everything is relative and there are few absolute truths. It all depends on your perception, culture, and upbringing.