Geert Wilders

[dskod1]

So thoughts and opinions?

My opinion: If we follow him down this road he will be the modern day hitler except instead of jews he will target muslims. How he got voted into a european government's parliament is beyond me. And now he plans on a trip to australia. I see him as a terrible bigot and the fact that his popularity is so widespread among europeans is just so terrible. :CNot

I just wish that people like him would go away. They make me so sad. I really hope that when he comes to australia he gets no audience and is ran out of the country. Despite the amount of racism I hear from 'australians' now. which also makes me sad. :CCry1

INFO: He is a politician in the netherlands
Wilders published the version of his political manifesto called Klare Wijn ("Clear Wine") in March 2006. The program proposed ten key points to be implemented:
Considerable reduction of taxes and state regulations.
Replacement of the present Article 1 of the Dutch constitution, guaranteeing equality under the law, by a clause stating the cultural dominance of the Christian, Jewish and humanist traditions.
Reduction of the influence of the European Union, which may no longer be expanded with new member states, especially Turkey; the European Parliament will be abolished. Dutch financial contributions to the European Union should be reduced by billions of euros.
A five year moratorium on the immigration of non-Western foreigners who intend to stay in the Netherlands. Foreign residents will no longer have the right to vote in municipal elections.
A five-year moratorium on the founding of new mosques and Islamic schools; a permanent ban on preaching in any language other than Dutch. Foreign imams will not be allowed to preach. Radical mosques will be closed and radical Muslims will be expelled.
Restoration of educational standards, with an emphasis on the educational value of the family.
Introduction of binding referenda and elected mayors, chiefs of police and prime ministers.
Introduction of minimum penalties, and higher maximum penalties; introduction of administrative detention for terrorist suspects. Street terrorism will be punished by boot camps and denaturalisation and deportation of immigrant offenders.
Restoration of respect and better rewards for teachers, policemen, health care workers and military personnel.
Instead of complicated reorganisation, a more accessible and humane health care system, especially for elderly citizens

 

[Insanity]

Everything except the racism and religious bits sound good.

Someone needs to off these people or kick them out of office and make sure they never get a job. >.<

 

[Kit]

Wilders published the version of his political manifesto called Klare Wijn ("Clear Wine") in March 2006. The program proposed ten key points to be implemented:



Reduction of the influence of the European Union, which may no longer be expanded with new member states, especially Turkey; the European Parliament will be abolished. Dutch financial contributions to the European Union should be reduced by billions of euros.

A five year moratorium on the immigration of non-Western foreigners who intend to stay in the Netherlands. Foreign residents will no longer have the right to vote in municipal elections.

A five-year moratorium on the founding of new mosques and Islamic schools; a permanent ban on preaching in any language other than Dutch. Foreign imams will not be allowed to preach. Radical mosques will be closed and radical Muslims will be expelled.


Introduction of binding referenda and elected mayors, chiefs of police and prime ministers.

Introduction of minimum penalties, and higher maximum penalties; introduction of administrative detention for terrorist suspects. Street terrorism will be punished by boot camps and denaturalisation and deportation of immigrant offenders.

Restoration of respect and better rewards for teachers, policemen, health care workers and military personnel.

Instead of complicated reorganisation, a more accessible and humane health care system, especially for elderly citizens

All of these are worthwhile ideas, none of which are particularly draconian, with the exception of the mosques one, which even so, is worthwhile for the crackdown on radicalism.

I don't know if you've ever been to the netherlands, but Wilders is responding to public feeling, with a lot of Dutch people feeling that their country is kinda being usurped, with the massive number of immigrants, a large number of which are muslim.

Also, being elected to the European parliament (which he's right about, the EU needs to go) proves nothing. Hell, one of our representatives there is a former (totally washed up) tv talk show host. And not even a good one. The whole system is a waste of time and effort.

 

[D.C.]

Never thought people outside of the Netherlands actually care about Geert Wilders...

I don't support him, I don't vote for him, but I think that some of his ideas are actually pretty good. But then again, I disagree about lots of his ideas (not only ideas about the Islam, but other things as well).

There are actually a lot of Dutch people who don't support Geert Wilders, either.

However, I do want to emphasize that Geert Wilders does not target muslims. He doesn't. He is not against the Islam, either. He is against extremists. He respects muslims and he respects the Islam as a believe. He is against extremists, and most extremists are - according to him - muslims.

He is against radical Islam.

It might be a good idea to actually do a little bit of research before you go and shout all kinds of bad things about Geert Wilders (or anyone else, for that matter).

And, calling him a modern day Hitler goes too far.

 

[Wing]

I love Geert Wilders.

 

[Brandon Rhea]

He respects muslims and he respects the Islam as a believe.

Yes to the first, no to the second.

"I don't hate people. I don't hate Muslims. I hate their book and their ideology."
- Geert Wilders

 

[D.C.]

Yes to the first, no to the second.

"I don't hate people. I don't hate Muslims. I hate their book and their ideology."
- Geert Wilders

He respects the Islam itself. He doesn't target the Islam because it's the Islam. It's just, according to him, that when you see extremism, it mostly comes from followers of the Islam.

With 'their ideology' he means how the men treat their women. How the muslim extemists look at the rest of the world. He doesn't necessarily mean the Islam itself.

 

[Brandon Rhea]

He respects the Islam itself. He doesn't target the Islam because it's the Islam. It's just, according to him, that when you see extremism, it mostly comes from followers of the Islam.

With 'their ideology' he means how the men treat their women. How the muslim extemists look at the rest of the world. He doesn't necessarily mean the Islam itself.

If he hates the book and he hates the ideology, that pretty much means he hates Islam. Outside of the religious text and the beliefs of the religion, the only thing that's left is the people.

 

[D.C.]

If he hates the book and he hates the ideology, that pretty much means he hates Islam. Outside of the religious text and the beliefs of the religion, the only thing that's left is the people.

Okay, you win.

Can't believe I was talking about Geert Wilders with you, Bac... XD

 

[dskod1]

thats exactly what I was talkiing about.

So than Kit you agree with this policy
Replacement of the present Article 1 of the Dutch constitution, guaranteeing equality under the law, by a clause stating the cultural dominance of the Christian, Jewish and humanist traditions.

And yes I still feel he is the modern day hitler.

Geert Wilders of the Freedom Party says; “It may be necessary to deport millions of Muslims out of Europe.”
Geert wilders wants to restrict immigration from muslim countries
"I have a problem with Islamic tradition, culture, ideology. Not with Muslim people."


Can you please tell me how this is not racist? Deporting millions of Muslims? sooo he hates basically the Islamic religion is what he is saying. and he appears to only want to target people who believe in it IE MUSLIMS.

Geert Wilders: "On a daily basis Moroccan youths are beating up homosexuals on the streets of Amsterdam." "There is no equality between our culture and the retarded Islamic culture. Look at their views on homosexuality or women,"

In some african countries where they are pro christian they KILL homosexuals. and homosexuality is outlawed. He should not act like Christianity is any better in that regards.

 

[Kit]

thats exactly what I was talkiing about.

So than Kit you agree with this policy
Replacement of the present Article 1 of the Dutch constitution, guaranteeing equality under the law, by a clause stating the cultural dominance of the Christian, Jewish and humanist traditions.

Nope, and you can tell I don't because I didn't quote that when I quoted you. I only kept the things that I said (and thought) weren't worthwhile in some form. So, nyeh.

 

[dskod1]

ahh sorry. I just assumed you quoted all of them. Whoopsy doopsy


Also I wonder what he means by 'radical mosques'? I have no idea what he is talking about there. I have never seen a mosque that is radical. Does this mean they store guns there? If they are going to outlaw radical mosques why not outlaw all radical religious areas. It just makes no sense to me

 

[Brandon Rhea]

thats exactly what I was talkiing about.

So than Kit you agree with this policy
Replacement of the present Article 1 of the Dutch constitution, guaranteeing equality under the law, by a clause stating the cultural dominance of the Christian, Jewish and humanist traditions.

And yes I still feel he is the modern day hitler.

Geert Wilders of the Freedom Party says; “It may be necessary to deport millions of Muslims out of Europe.”
Geert wilders wants to restrict immigration from muslim countries
"I have a problem with Islamic tradition, culture, ideology. Not with Muslim people."


Can you please tell me how this is not racist? Deporting millions of Muslims? sooo he hates basically the Islamic religion is what he is saying. and he appears to only want to target people who believe in it IE MUSLIMS.

Geert Wilders: "On a daily basis Moroccan youths are beating up homosexuals on the streets of Amsterdam." "There is no equality between our culture and the retarded Islamic culture. Look at their views on homosexuality or women,"

In some african countries where they are pro christian they KILL homosexuals. and homosexuality is outlawed. He should not act like Christianity is any better in that regards.

Everything you just said here suggests he's a racist, not Hitler. Hitler may have deported Jews out of their homes, but he also enslaved and murdered them.

 

[Insanity]

Erm... Hitler started out with just deportation, then he stepped it up as he got more power over the Germans and Nazi sympathizers. Only good thing from WW2 would be the comfy and very awesome looking uniforms. But I digress.

So, why are there so many politicial threads now? o.O

 

[Brandon Rhea]

Erm... Hitler started out with just deportation, then he stepped it up as he got more power over the Germans and Nazi sympathizers. Only good thing from WW2 would be the comfy and very awesome looking uniforms. But I digress.

So, why are there so many politicial threads now? o.O

Hitler was also someone who manipulated and murdered his way into office.

Sorry, but the comparison is ridiculous. Until someone starts murdering entire groups of people, don't call them Hitler. It just looks dumb.

 

[dskod1]

I really do not think so. I was just expressing my opinion on the matter and true he has not yet killed anyone. So I should perhaps rephrase that. In my opinion he seems like a young hitler. I was of course not saying that he did murder anyone at all..... yet. What I was trying to imply by saying that is that this is exactly how hitler started. His ideas were different than the conservatives of hte time and he slowly built political power around the nazi party. His party only gained marginal seats in germany originally and it took him some time to actually gain the support and power. And seriously Hitler had the support of a lot of germans of the time (not all of them) but a lot.



Also does not every politician use manipulation???? as well as that hitler did not murder his way into office. Granted he attempted a coup, Which failed and he was jailed. But after being released from jail he sought to gain power through the DEMOCRATIC PROCESS. Which he was successful at. When the president elected him as the chancellorship THE PEOPLE voted 288 members of the NSDAP into the rechstag. So I would say you are wrong at least in that regard that Hitler murdered his way into office.

So I would actually not say it is dumb to imply this is the modern day hitler. Thank you for your opion though ;)

 

[Brandon Rhea]

Stalin supported government social programs. Obama supports government social programs. Ergo, because Stalin was a supporter of government action before he was a murderer, Obama will become a murderer.

Post hoc, ergo proctor hoc - it's Latin for "after this, therefore because of this" and it means that because one thing happened, it caused something else.

It's almost always wrong.

You don't like someone's opinions so you're calling him Hitler. It's immature and you have nothing other than your opinion to back that up with.

 

[dskod1]

no that is wrong again. I do not agree with all of his opinions and to be honest I am not trying to be childish about this. I am sorry if you think I am.

All I am stating is my opinion on the matter. I feel that I am allowed to at least express that. If I have hit a personal accord with you I am sorry.

It is just the first thing that came to mind when I first heard about him in europe. Also I stated this is how hitler started. I did not say he would become like hitler, I was statining more or less this is how monsters are born. He his using fear of something different to gain power and support.

Anyway that is just my opinion. sorry once more if I am offending you are if you think my opinion is childish. I am just trying to express myself :)

 

[Brandon Rhea]

I'm not offended, but I think it's offensive to anyone to compare them to Hitler.

You're entitled to your opinion, but your opinion is based on nothing. You're making a comparison and not backing it up with anything relevant to the comparison.

I can say "In my opinion, the sky is green" but I'd have nothing to back that up with.

 

[dskod1]

that is what this thread is about. I asked for peoples opinions? I did not say lets debate this or that. I asked for peoples geniunine opinion. And yes you do not have the same opinion as me so. Okay.

I really do not know what you want me to say because I just gave my opion like I asked everyone else. I guess I just will be more quiet about my actual opion when in your presence in the future. I did not say my opinion was the truth. I am not saying "He is hitlet. FACT!" Opinions are not facts that are just presumptions based on information that is kept in peoples heads. So really I have no idea what you are trying to debate.

I am not saying what I said is the truth sooooo yerrrr. It also seems like you are taking offense in some way to this because you are like putting up a huge defense over it. anywho I do not want to get anyone angry about stuff so I guess I just will not post back in this thread.