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This may just be me but this seems a lot like the beginnings of ww3
This may just be me but this seems a lot like the beginnings of ww3
France is committed to "destroying" the so-called Islamic State group after Friday's deadly attacks, President Francois Hollande has said.
He said he would table a bill to extend the state of emergency declared after the attacks for three months and would suggest changes to the constitution.
France's military campaign against IS in Iraq and Syria will also intensify.
IS says it carried out the attacks on bars, restaurants, a concert hall and a stadium in which 129 people died.
Speaking during a joint session of both houses of parliament, Mr Hollande said the constitution needed to be amended as "we need an appropriate tool we can use without having to resort to the state of emergency".
Other measures he said would be pursued included:
- 5,000 extra police posts in the next two years and no new cuts in the defence budget
- Making it easier to strip dual nationals of their French citizenship if they are convicted of a terrorist offence, as long as this did not render them stateless
- Speeding up the deportation of foreigners who pose "a particularly grave threat to the security of the nation"
- Pushing for greater European action against arms trafficking and greater penalties for it in France
Mr Hollande said he would travel to meet US President Barack Obama and Russian Vladimir Putin in the coming days to discuss action against the group.
At a G20 summit in Turkey, world leaders promised tighter co-operation in the wake of the attacks.
Mr Obama said the US and France had made a new agreement on intelligence sharing but said US military advisors thought sending ground troops to combat Isis would be a mistake.
He reiterated his opposition to Syrian President Bashar al-Assad remaining in power but said "our enemy in Syria is Daesh [IS]".
He promised more resources for the security forces and said the Charles de Gaulle aircraft carrier would be sent on Thursday to bolster the military campaign against IS.
On Sunday night, French aircraft attacked Raqqa, IS's stronghold in Syria. French officials said 10 jets had dropped 20 guided bombs targeting sites including a command centre, a recruitment centre for jihadists, a munitions depot and a training camp.
IS has issued a statement saying the raid targeted empty locations and that there were no casualties.
Honestly, refugees are pretty low on the list of threats.
As long as there be Humans, there will always be terrorism; religion is but one of many masks to hide the inner repulsiveness of Human nature, a convenient excuse for those ugly of spirit. Even if we do away with religion, there are plenty more things to hide behind to justify acting on our inner darkness.Imo as long as religion exists there will always be terrorism....
Wow, France is going street by street taking people out. Wonder how long it will be before something like this happens in America.
Unfortunately it seems hard to imagine that happening. Even if we stop one group another will always come back and reignite some tension in the world. Until people can learn to respect opinions we arent going anywhereHopefully we can stop that before it happens
We have alot of issues in America, im not sure how a terrorist attack will go if it were to happen here. At least in the south, many people are armed because of all the gun crime going on. Heck some people have an armory inside their houses.That's actually unlikely. In the US according to statistics you are more likely to be killed by Gun crime than by a terrorist attack
We have alot of issues in America, im not sure how a terrorist attack will go if it were to happen here. At least in the south, many people are armed because of all the gun crime going on. Heck some people have an armory inside their houses
Thats not entirely true. Theres no right way to handle the situation, unless you've lived here its hard to understand. Its easy to look on from the outside and think we are idiots for not fixing the system, but its completely different if you live over here. I'd love to elaborate, but it would take too long and i don't think we should talk about this anymore.The problem is no one will touch the subject of gun control when it comes up. People would rather protect their right to own a gun over the safety of the public
I'm not excusing anything, I'm just saying there is absolutely no moral equivalency once you bring intent into the equation.
I think morality is an important part of the argument- there is no perfect solution, but there are solutions that arw better than others, and i think civilians dying on the fringes by accident
while you try to do something about the situation is better than murdering them wholesale on purpose. And while it's pretty hard to kill your way to peace, at the same time you can't just lay down arms and let people kill you. Does that make anything better or less tragic? No, but there's no happy ending here no matter what happens.
Personally, I don't think there is any political solution that is acceptable for ISIS.
People tend to forget though that we get what we ask for. It's the politicians that the people elect that drive the rhetoric and run these wars. The blood is on the hands of everyone who has ever voted or chosen not to vote.
Russia is not working on a common goal. The targets of their airstrikes have been the anti-Assad rebels, not ISIS. Whether the downing of the Russian jet will change that in any meaningful way, who knows, but Russia is an ally of Assad and that's what their interest is in Syria.I'm hoping it's just the opposite. It's not often that the US, France, Russia and Iran are all working on a common goal. ISIS could end up being great for international relations between sane countries.
Russia is not working on a common goal. The targets of their airstrikes have been the anti-Assad rebels, not ISIS. Whether the downing of the Russian jet will change that in any meaningful way, who knows, but Russia is an ally of Assad and that's what their interest is in Syria.
Whether that's anything more than a symbolic gesture due to internal politics remains to be seen.That's more what I was referring to. Since more or less confirming it was a bomb that brought down their airliner, word this morning was that Russia is now hitting actual ISIS targets.