For all of you sci-fi fans...

[Praetor]

I found this picture and thought it was interesting. It really gives you a more accurate perspective on the size of the ships you see in movies.

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[Demiurge]

I'd seen this years ago. Whenever I see the Executor up there, I always feel like the Empire is saying to the other franchises "mine is bigger than yours"

 

[BLADE]

Better source.

 

[Ender]

Halo, the "new" kid on the block, says "******* ALL Y'ALL!"

 

[Kiro]

No Space Marine Battle Barges. They'd make the Executor seem tiny.

 

[Empress]

I'd seen this years ago. Whenever I see the Executor up there, I always feel like the Empire is saying to the other franchises "mine is bigger than yours"

and they get bigger

 

[Nirvana]

I dunno if that would be a correct length for the Eclipse-class SSD. At least not from what I have read.

 

[Venom]

No Space Marine Battle Barges. They'd make the Executor seem tiny.

This post reminded me that I was surprised about the lack of a 40k vs SW thread on this site. With the people here, seems like it would've happened at some point. (Ofc, comparing things to an intentionally ridiculous series is kind of silly.)

Anyways, I do think that someone made one of these images with some 40k ships on it.

 

[Unreliable Genius]

Holy heck. It's a good thing that the Star Destroyer in the first scene of ANH wasn't an Eclipse .. or else that following-the-bottom-of-the-ship scene would have lasted the entire length of the movie. :D

 

[BLADE]

This post reminded me that I was surprised about the lack of a 40k vs SW thread on this site. With the people here, seems like it would've happened at some point. (Ofc, comparing things to an intentionally ridiculous series is kind of silly.)

Because it's pretty straightforward. Using the power of MATH, we get 40K outputs for the Imperium in the low-gigatons, whilst Star Wars ranges from mid-high teratons/petatons. Per second. When you add in SW's massive FTL advantage, any comparative exercise is pretty lopsided. There are a few factors that could throw things (Chaos, etc.), but the Necrons are the only ones who really compare to SW tech.

 

[Malcador]

No Space Marine Battle Barges. They'd make the Executor seem tiny.

While I agree there should be 40k ships on there, the only ship as far as I know that actually is larger than the Executor was an unknown ship type that was 20km and I believe Abaddon's Planet-killer was around that size or a bit larger. We also have to remember that Games Workshop has not gone around and determined precise stats to those sort of things unlike other franchises like Star Wars so determining the exact size is sketchy. Some people that have looked into it using the fluff have come across 6-8km for Battle Barges though, and that doesn't seem too far of a stretch really.

This post reminded me that I was surprised about the lack of a 40k vs SW thread on this site. With the people here, seems like it would've happened at some point. (Ofc, comparing things to an intentionally ridiculous series is kind of silly.)

I am glad there aren't. Versus debates between franchises just feel like ways to have fans at each others necks over fictional things. Which is why I dread the day Screwattack releases the Superman vs. Goku fight and why I hated The Old Republic forums.

Anyways, I do think that someone made one of these images with some 40k ships on it.

Something like it, yeah. [Click]

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Because it's pretty straightforward. Using the power of MATH, we get 40K outputs for the Imperium in the low-gigatons, whilst Star Wars ranges from mid-high teratons/petatons. Per second. When you add in SW's massive FTL advantage, any comparative exercise is pretty lopsided. There are a few factors that could throw things (Chaos, etc.), but the Necrons are the only ones who really compare to SW tech.

Someone's been looking at Connor MacLeods analysis'. Or just very good at number crunching unlike me. Where did the teraton/petaton thing come from anyway? Was it from one of the novels where a Base Delta Zero was used or was it estimations from the visuals of the films? There is also the ICS which I believe uses visuals as well?

 

[BLADE]

We also have to remember that Games Workshop has not gone around and determined precise stats to those sort of things unlike other franchises like Star Wars so determining the exact size is sketchy.

Related to what I say below. 40K is much more of a moving target than Star Wars is (even the EU is fairly consistent --some minimalism aside-- about the scale, power, etc.) whereas 40K has moved from megatons to gigatons, and so forth, which I guess is in keeping with their ethos.

And agreed. I'm not a huge fan of versus debating. I much prefer to just look at the technical aspects of each universe without needing to make a comparison. Too much of a penis-waving contest otherwise.

Someone's been looking at Connor MacLeods analysis'. Or just very good at number crunching unlike me. Where did the teraton/petaton thing come from anyway? Was it from one of the novels where a Base Delta Zero was used or was it estimations from the visuals of the films? There is also the ICS which I believe uses visuals as well?

Both. I don't use my math degree in a professional context. :CHappy

I take some issue with his methodology vis-a-vis heat distribution (and the way he characterizes 40K ship hulls), but the general consensus: 40K stomps on the ground, stomps in special weaponry (psykers can tear about Jedi/Sith), gets stomped in space/strategically is pretty accurate. Dude did a good job.

As regards your question about approximations, pretty much every independent analysis concurs with Dr. Saxton's ICS. We start with some basic assumptions about Planckian heat distribution, note the inability of a vacuum to contribute to a conflagration (thus allowing us to extrapolate more accurately using blast radii as an input) and generally get around 1 teraton per second of average firepower (SW) for a transporter. Mind you, these are actually relatively conservative estimates, hence my rough window (I suppose I could add a sigma, but it wouldn't mean much to those of you not mathematically inclined.)

That places Star Wars about solidly in the middle of the pack, sci-fi franchise-wise.

@Battle Barges: Using what we know of other similar ships (like the Retribution class) and doing some basic scaling from cinematics, as well as some basic trig for the fluff (on some assumptions), the battle barges are about 6-7 km in length. Big, but not the length of an Executor. They may be comparable in mass, considering how Imperium ships are described.

 

[Venom]

Because it's pretty straightforward. Using the power of MATH, we get 40K outputs for the Imperium in the low-gigatons, whilst Star Wars ranges from mid-high teratons/petatons. Per second. When you add in SW's massive FTL advantage, any comparative exercise is pretty lopsided. There are a few factors that could throw things (Chaos, etc.), but the Necrons are the only ones who really compare to SW tech.

We're on the internet, fanboy frequently over powers the forces of math. (At least in the fanboy's mind.)

Also, the above overview sounds pretty solid, I've seen others post similar things, but with a much lower energy output for SW ships.

 

[Praetor]

Better source.

Thanks for that! :)

 

[Empress]

needs to be a scale with some of the legacy star destroyers, like the Pallieon class ones that iirc can make the ecipse class look small, and even bigger than that

 

[Malcador]

The Pellaeons are about as large as an Imperial-II but nowhere near Eclipse sized. They do appear to be heavily armored though, and probably have better firepower than the older Star Destroyers. Not that I would be able to determine anyway, since I can't exactly examine and define firepower and shielding through comics unless the captions or dialogue gives hints.