Crystal Thieves OOC

[Narsi]

IC thread
@Comrade Matt

Hey man, was about to post in your thread. But we've got some things that need to be settled first.
I know someone else has already mentioned that you cant find a red crystal in the caves, but that's unimportant.
1. You have unapproved armor on your CS, I would edit in a new suit for now.
2. You have a rocket launcher that's described as one of a kind in its tech profile, and I'm fairly sure Zanhra still owns it. Tagging @Black Noise for more on this matter, whether you can have a copy and stuff.
3. Fairly sure this has already been broached elsewhere but you can't put a limit on the char count for this thread, not in the middle of Jedi territory like this.

 

[Gian Greydragon]

I posted to this thread as well, but I've deleted, so @Comrade Matt can make his edits and stuff.

 

[vamp]

Made the edits. I don't have the rocket launcher on me, it's just in my character inventory, but I specifically mentioned what I was carrying

 

[Undine]

3. Fairly sure this has already been broached elsewhere but you can't put a limit on the char count for this thread, not in the middle of Jedi territory like this.

People do this all the time. It's meant to keep a thread from getting out of hand. Nowhere does it state in the rules that a thread creator may not change an Open thread into an Ask thread, for whatever reason. Nowhere does it state that a thread's creator may not limit who is allowed to join an Open thread. Some Open threads are only Open to specific factions, or a specific number of people. Changing an Open thread to an Ask thread once a specified threshold of participants has been reached is common. As the creator of the thread, @Comrade Matt may issue any restrictions concerning how many people may enter the thread before he changes it to an Ask thread.​

 

[Valen Pelora]

People do this all the time. It's meant to keep a thread from getting out of hand. Nowhere does it state in the rules that a thread creator may not change an Open thread into an Ask thread, for whatever reason. Nowhere does it state that a thread's creator may not limit who is allowed to join an Open thread. Some Open threads are only Open to specific factions, or a specific number of people. Changing an Open thread to an Ask thread once a specified threshold of participants has been reached is common. As the creator of the thread, @Comrade Matt may issue any restrictions concerning how many people may enter the thread before he changes it to an Ask thread.​

This is not accurate. He is conducting an open thread on the Jedi controlled planet of Dantooine where a hefty number of Jedi are currently residing in the stronghold. He created an open mission in one of the most important location on Dantooine and to the Jedi. Without faction leader permission the number of participants cannot be limited. @Wit has already addressed this.

 

[Logan]

People do this all the time. It's meant to keep a thread from getting out of hand. Nowhere does it state in the rules that a thread creator may not change an Open thread into an Ask thread, for whatever reason. Nowhere does it state that a thread's creator may not limit who is allowed to join an Open thread. Some Open threads are only Open to specific factions, or a specific number of people. Changing an Open thread to an Ask thread once a specified threshold of participants has been reached is common. As the creator of the thread, @Comrade Matt may issue any restrictions concerning how many people may enter the thread before he changes it to an Ask thread.​

Common courtesy is to leave an ooc to those who are participating in the actual thread at hand. Additional opinions and posts from non participants only muck up an ooc and can create confusion.

I'd take a moment to be mindful of this in the future.

 

[Undine]

This is not accurate. He is conducting an open thread on the Jedi controlled planet of Dantooine where a hefty number of Jedi are currently residing in the stronghold. He created an open mission in one of the most important location on Dantooine and to the Jedi. Without faction leader permission the number of participants cannot be limited. @Wit has already addressed this.

He expressed his intent of turning it into an Ask thread once a couple people joined in when he originally posted it. I understand where @Wit is coming from, but wouldn't overruling a thread's creator be an RP admin's responsibility? I respect the position of FL, but deciding something like that isn't really within the authority of an FL. Now it's strongly in @Wit favor, but even an FL needs an RP Admin's ruling on something like this.
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Common courtesy is to leave an ooc to those who are participating in the actual thread at hand. Additional opinions and posts from non participants only muck up an ooc and can create confusion.

I'd take a moment to be mindful of this in the future.

I was planning on joining the thread, which is why I even bothered to read the OOC. Personally I don't like the precedent of an FL being allowed to dictate what is or not allowed when it comes to individual threads. An RP admin might see things differently then me, but that's exactly what RP admins are meant to do. Clarify rules and make rulings on disagreements. As far as my understanding of the RP rules goes, an FL can demand to have members of their faction pose opposition within a thread taking place within that faction's territory. Nowhere does it state an FL or faction can demand to have an unlimited number of their members join a thread as opposition. @Comrade Matt just wanted to limit the thread to 4-5 participants, 2-3 of which he specifically wanted to be Jedi. I fail to see how that isn't fair enough already.

EDIT: Would someone mind linking me to the thread where this was already discussed. I'm not a fan of rehashing old issues, but I can't seem to find it.​

 

[Gian Greydragon]

If that RP has to do with Faction-controlled territory, yes, the FLs should have every right to intervene on threads like this. As a Sith AFL, I've dealt with people trying to waltz right in on Sith tombs and better, but have been pretty cool about it, as is the rest of Sith Leadership. What @Wit is doing is no different to what we've done in the past, so there's no reason for this conversation. If you have a reason beyond voicing your opinion further, please leave the OOC to the participants of the thread.

 

[Wit]

Okay, let's clear this out.

I did not call down my oppressive FL powers to request a change in the thread parameters simply because it was "in my territory and I gotta throw my weight around". I did so because from an IC point of view you can't stop multiple Jedi to be present at what is at this point the most heavily defended Jedi position in the Galaxy, or from being eager to jump into stopping a member of the group that not so recently blew up their most sacred place along with a vast majority of their comrades.

Now that we have the IC out of the way, for OOC justification I talked with an admin and the Sith FL (@Malon) to confirm that it would be better if the current parameters of the thread were changed. With how jumpy the Jedi would be after Tython any such mission would be beyond risky and just allowing one or two Jedi into this does not translate that risk properly. We talk about IC justification and consequences, well this is a case where the consequences would be very dire.

@Comrade Matt, my mistake was not taking our conversation to PMs so my apology for that. I was at work so limited on what I can do from my phone but just making excuses now, my bad. What my suggestion was going to be was to scrap this thread, as your aim was getting a red lightsaber crystal and a much better way of doing that would be a thread where you synthesize a crystal of your own. I'm more confused than ever about the canon status of red Sith crystals but I thought they didn't exist and as such your character would lose the motivation for taking on such a risky venture.

 

[Undine]

I talked with an admin and the Sith FL (@Malon)

Works for me.

I want to clarify, my issue wasn't with Jedi joining the thread, my issue was with someone telling someone else they couldn't limit how many people joined their thread. If someone started a thread and seven people hopped in the thread's creator should have the right to say no more participants. To say someone can't cap the number of participants because an FL said so isn't going to end well. It leaves a precedent that future threads taking place in a faction's territory would be able to be joined by members of that faction for no other reason then the thread takes place in that faction's territory. That's what I was concerned by, not IC/OOC justification for anything.​

 

[Narsi]

Works for me.

I want to clarify, my issue wasn't with Jedi joining the thread, my issue was with someone telling someone else they couldn't limit how many people joined their thread. If someone started a thread and seven people hopped in the thread's creator should have the right to say no more participants. To say someone can't cap the number of participants because an FL said so isn't going to end well. It leaves a precedent that future threads taking place in a faction's territory would be able to be joined by members of that faction for no other reason then the thread takes place in that faction's territory. That's what I was concerned by, not IC/OOC justification for anything.​

There is a big difference between faction territory and faction home base. This here is an instance of the latter. Dantooine isnt some random planet in Jedi territory, its where one of their last surviving temples are, and the current home of the Jedi ARMY. Its the equivalent of starting a thread on korriban as a Jedi, and just ask @Prudence how that went for his last jedi.

 

[Prudence]

when u get tagged in a random ooc

 

[vamp]

With arguments out of the way, I hope we can have a fun and exciting thread.

I won't void it because people already posted and stuff, although I'd like to make it death-disabled, if possible. If not, I'll keep in enabled

 

[vamp]

Oh my god Prudii not again

Also we have a 4v1, so I'm making this an [ASK] thread. Sorry about that.

That being said, I think we should establish a posting order. My proposition is:

1. @Comrade Matt
2. @Gian Greydragon
3. @Narsi
4. @Undine
5. @Prudence

I'd prefer it if I could post every time someone does, so that I can defend myself without people crafting an attack on 4 fronts happening at the same time, but if you guys don't want that, no problem. If you object to the posting order, speak now or forever hold your peace.

Also, while I'm not allowed to make the thread death-disabled, I'd like it if we could decide on an outcome now, and end with a resolution that all will find agreeable.

I know a 4v1 gives Calmax a super slim chance of winning, but I'd prefer it if you guys could just capture him, and then we could do an interrogation thread (hopefully where he escapes). If he does get captured, I ask that you don't kill him like you did to Undine's character, Prudii.

I know it seems like a lot to ask for, but I don't want this thread to get derailed like crazy or end up killing my character in his first thread.

Anyway, I'll post now.

 

[Prudence]

Ok tbh I think you need to delete your ic post. I haven't read it but you need to give narsi and Gian a chance to respond to your post.

 

[vamp]

Ok tbh I think you need to delete your ic post. I haven't read it but you need to give narsi and Gian a chance to respond to your post.

yeah I'll delete it

 

[Prudence]

also posting order going forward should be:

@Narsi
@Gian Greydragon
@Undine
@Comrade Matt
@Prudence

as Marsi and Gian haven't had a chance to post yet.

 

[Gian Greydragon]

I leave for work and two more people join the thread. Yeesh. Lol. I didn't want to gank anyone. Personally, I thought it'd be cool to have a one on one or two on two fight, but a 4v1 isn't fun in my opinion. I think I'm gonna step out of this fight.

@Comrade Matt, if you ever wanna do some PvP, I'd be down to duel your Sith with my Jedi, or ex-Mando (if I keep him).

EDIT: Maybe I'll stay. I've thought more about it.

 

[vamp]

I leave for work and two more people join the thread. Yeesh. Lol. I didn't want to gank anyone. Personally, I thought it'd be cool to have a one on one or two on two fight, but a 4v1 isn't fun in my opinion. I think I'm gonna step out of this fight.

@Comrade Matt, if you ever wanna do some PvP, I'd be down to duel your Sith with my Jedi, or ex-Mando (if I keep him).

EDIT: Maybe I'll stay. I've thought more about it.

I'm fine with you staying if you don't kill me

 

[Black Noise]

Just saw my tag in this,

@Comrade Matt please remove the rocket launcher from your profile and, if applicable, your post as well. It is unique and belongs solely to Zanhra, it is not for public ownership.