Bad Blood OOC

[Kaane]

I was tired and rushed when i wrote that, I apologize.

About as tired as my avatar if not more

 

[Gian Greydragon]

Yo, I don't know how I feel about your post, @Narsi. Your character has now used three, at least moderately taxing telekinetic attacks in a row, the last of which, in desperation as you put it, though the attack itself is trying to force Segovax's wrist back and knock the blade into himself. I feel like that's a bit much, but I'd be willing to listen to your reasoning.

 

[Narsi]

Yo, I don't know how I feel about your post, @Narsi. Your character has now used three, at least moderately taxing telekinetic attacks in a row, the last of which, in desperation as you put it, though the attack itself is trying to force Segovax's wrist back and knock the blade into himself. I feel like that's a bit much, but I'd be willing to listen to your reasoning.

Well, I wouldn't really call them major uses. The first was basically only moving her lightsaber off her belt and like....one foot in a direction. The second was only clamping a grip around you, pinning your arms specifically, and while yes it's definitely a larger use than the first, I would hesitate to call it major. Now this third one, I probably would call it major, as I specifically wrote it as Gren putting her "full strength " into it.
I would keep in mind that Gren's also been very singularly focused on these things, as in not doing anythings else to distract her focus and they are all pretty short ranged. TK specifically, is one of her strongest fields in the force even.

I know force usage has been getting more leeway lately, and honestly, I don't think three tk uses in a row would be enough to tire out a jedi, especially if they are all focused on relatively small objects, lightsaber, person, arm, etc

@Mad Dog
I appreciate you wanting to join in man, but I think I speak for everyone here when I say it would probably be better to hold off as we are very near the thread end.
Incidentally, just why is your character attacking two random jedi and a sith, sniping them no less. His cs even states that honor and pride is a major goal.....

 

[Mad Dog]

Well, I wouldn't really call them major uses. The first was basically only moving her lightsaber off her belt and like....one foot in a direction. The second was only clamping a grip around you, pinning your arms specifically, and while yes it's definitely a larger use than the first, I would hesitate to call it major. Now this third one, I probably would call it major, as I specifically wrote it as Gren putting her "full strength " into it.
I would keep in mind that Gren's also been very singularly focused on these things, as in not doing anythings else to distract her focus and they are all pretty short ranged. TK specifically, is one of her strongest fields in the force even.

I know force usage has been getting more leeway lately, and honestly, I don't think three tk uses in a row would be enough to tire out a jedi, especially if they are all focused on relatively small objects, lightsaber, person, arm, etc

@Mad Dog
I appreciate you wanting to join in man, but I think I speak for everyone here when I say it would probably be better to hold off as we are very near the thread end.
Incidentally, just why is your character attacking two random jedi and a sith, sniping them no less. His cs even states that honor and pride is a major goal.....

He's not planning on attacking the Jedi and the Sith. His intentions have just not been made clear yet. Also firing from a vantage point is not dishonorable.

But I can back out of the thread if that's what you guys want, that's fine.

 

[Valen Pelora]

He's not planning on attacking the Jedi and the Sith. His intentions have just not been made clear yet. Also firing from a vantage point is not dishonorable.

But I can back out of the thread if that's what you guys want, that's fine.

I think that would be easiest for all involved.

 

[Gian Greydragon]

Well, I wouldn't really call them major uses. The first was basically only moving her lightsaber off her belt and like....one foot in a direction. The second was only clamping a grip around you, pinning your arms specifically, and while yes it's definitely a larger use than the first, I would hesitate to call it major. Now this third one, I probably would call it major, as I specifically wrote it as Gren putting her "full strength " into it.
I would keep in mind that Gren's also been very singularly focused on these things, as in not doing anythings else to distract her focus and they are all pretty short ranged. TK specifically, is one of her strongest fields in the force even.

I know force usage has been getting more leeway lately, and honestly, I don't think three tk uses in a row would be enough to tire out a jedi, especially if they are all focused on relatively small objects, lightsaber, person, arm, etc

Right. But to take full control of Segovax's wrist as an act of desperation kind of feels like n oxymoron to me. As a martial artist, I know seizing someones wrist in a scuffle can mean life or death in a self defense situation where a blade or what have you is involved. So you did a good move there, I agree with that, but the full manipulation of his hand wrist and arm, then driving to pull his wrist up and backward into himself, on top of having just been wounded seems a bit on the steep side.

 

[Narsi]

Right. But to take full control of Segovax's wrist as an act of desperation kind of feels like n oxymoron to me. As a martial artist, I know seizing someones wrist in a scuffle can mean life or death in a self defense situation where a blade or what have you is involved. So you did a good move there, I agree with that, but the full manipulation of his hand wrist and arm, then driving to pull his wrist up and backward into himself, on top of having just been wounded seems a bit on the steep side.

At this point, I feel the wound is no longer important in terms of distraction and such. The time to bring that up would have been last post, when it had literally just happened, and by now I think she'd have gotten over/used to it. As for the desperation, fair enough, I'll make a quick edit to fix that.
EDIT: Edited, now its more of a calm calculated move, less desperation though she's still scared for Nak a bit

 

[Gian Greydragon]

@Valen Pelora @Narsi

Dudes, we're like a week past the deadline for this thread, do we really want to draw this out any longer?

 

[Valen Pelora]

I do.

 

[Gian Greydragon]

I believe a ruling is in order. We have met the deadline. Do another Open, and I'll fight you in that one.

 

[Arcangel]

@Gian Greydragon @Valen Pelora

Is this a MFB or just a regular thread?

 

[Narsi]

@Gian Greydragon @Valen Pelora

Is this a MFB or just a regular thread?

Tis a regular mission thread, started out Open, changed to Ask later

 

[Valen Pelora]

Since this is being reviewed I will outline by position below.

• The MFB rules allow for 3 weeks of combat with a 1v1 situation and 4 weeks with multiple participants (as seen here).
• The MFB rules do apply to 'informal' battles if there is no agreement between the parties.
• The 4 weeks from the start of combat would have run on July 18, 2017. If you extend a week for waiting for Korvo, that puts it at July 25, 2017. Since neither party submitted the thread for a ruling and combat continued for over a week, I would posit the parties agreed to extend the time.
• The thread was marked as an open thread until only a few days ago, it was switched to ASK by Naris the original poster who gave me permission to join.
• From @Gian Greydragon's last post on Monday July 24, 2017, it is clear the parties intended PVP to continue.
• I think it is clear from the surrounding factors that PVP was still ongoing and the parties were agreeing to continue the PVP until a conclusion was reached. There are no signs either party was moving to submit the thread for a ruled ending per the MFB rules. Realistically, there are no signs that the PVP was even close to finished. I permissibly joined while they were still in the heat of combat with an extended time.

 

[Gian Greydragon]

Something, something legal jargon.

I'm done with the thread, and am ready to see it concluded. We just asked Mad Dog to keep out of the thread. You did that, yourself @Valen Pelora then to jump in last second to try and force a retreat from me? I'm not cool with that at all. No one asked me anything at all about more people joining the thread. I'd have asked for an extension, and continued on to fight @Narsi, but not one word was said to me about anyone else joining, before or after the fact that the thread was changed into an Ask thread to deter newcomers.

With that said, I will see the thread through - ruling or no ruling.

 

[Valen Pelora]

Something, something legal jargon.

I'm done with the thread, and am ready to see it concluded. We just asked Mad Dog to keep out of the thread. You did that, yourself @Valen Pelora then to jump in last second to try and force a retreat from me? I'm not cool with that at all. No one asked me anything at all about more people joining the thread. I'd have asked for an extension, and continued on to fight @Narsi, but not one word was said to me about anyone else joining, before or after the fact that the thread was changed into an Ask thread to deter newcomers.

With that said, I will see the thread through - ruling or no ruling.

I understand you may not agree with me. I see a distinct difference between Mad Dog joining the thread with a character unrelated to the conflict and stating his intention were unrelated to what was going on between the Jedi and Sith. That is clutter unrelated to the PVP that likely should be avoided. I did not ask Mad Dog to leave the thread. Rather, I posted "I think that would be easiest for all involved" if he did leave. I think this more than covers what the staff needs to see for a ruling.

 

[Gian Greydragon]

You may not have outright asked him to leave, the fact remains that no one said squat to me about anyone else joining, after Narsi changed it to an Ask thread. The galaxy is a large place, it's very plausible for a Mandalorian to be on Sullust, and what you call clutter, might have been character development for his character. We didn't say anything to Korvo either, when he began posting Non-PvP related posts. I'm not saying it was his fault that this thread went on for so long, but Kaane, Nari and I all three thought to wait on him to post, and there were a few instances that we ended up waiting way longer than we needed to. Life happens, and I'm throwing shade in any direction, toward anyone here, but if we cut out Korvo's post times, we'd have still been dead on or past the deadline for this thread.

 

[Valen Pelora]

You may not have outright asked him to leave, the fact remains that no one said squat to me about anyone else joining, after Narsi changed it to an Ask thread. The galaxy is a large place, it's very plausible for a Mandalorian to be on Sullust, and what you call clutter, might have been character development for his character. We didn't say anything to Korvo either, when he began posting Non-PvP related posts. I'm not saying it was his fault that this thread went on for so long, but Kaane, Nari and I all three thought to wait on him to post, and there were a few instances that we ended up waiting way longer than we needed to. Life happens, and I'm throwing shade in any direction, toward anyone here, but if we cut out Korvo's post times, we'd have still been dead on or past the deadline for this thread.

My understanding of the rules is the other participants do not have be notified if someone else is joining the thread as long as the Original Poster approves the joining. Korvo was allowed to participate and I have no control over what happened with Mad Dog. He decided to leave the thread of his own volition.

Edit: At this point, we have both outlined our positions. This is probably solely a rules issue.

 

[Narsi]

Naris

Nari

.......
Anyways, I shall withhold my post until the ruling is made, and shall confirm that I did give @Valen Pelora permission to join

 

[Arcangel]

First off, very excellent read, I truly enjoyed it. Up until the very end that is. Something about seeing someone successfully even the odds in a 2v1, only to have their opponent call in or allow another combatant to enter an ASK thread to maintain a numbers advantage despite their opponent neither calling for reinforcements during the original 2v1, and being unable to call for reinforcements after the numbers were again unbalance. It leaves a bad taste in my mouth.

With that said

OFFICIAL RULING: @Valen Pelora 's last post in this thread is VOIDED. I would like to see the thread proceed to it's natural conclusion, which it was approaching. Far too often PvP threads finished through admin ruling, that it is few and far between that a PvP actually concludes naturally.

 

[Arcangel]

@Kaane @Narsi