Bacta topic

[Gaja]

Ok this one is for the one thing the Cartel controls and no one else has.

Bacta​

We own it, others need it.

Hence others want it. Now while I mentioned IC and OOC that things like,production facilities, transports, hyperspace transport routes are a secret there is a strategical weakness in our system that remains.

The planet Tyferra, the source of bacta. While it's never been actually explained where all the bacta is being held, I always assumed the cartel moved it of planet so in case the Sith make a move on the planet we still control the remains of the bacta.

However I wonder if we shouldn't RP out the transportation or whatever of bacta of world. You know, produce the bacta, store it on ships, move it away from the planet and just be smart about it. If it's a weakness let it be a small weakness and not leave the bacta there for too long. That way we protect our investment.

Aaaaand discuss!

 

[Just Matt Now]

I think that is a great idea that would need to be RPed out in a highly secretive manner, ICly. It would certainly give the Cartel more leverage when dealing with a hostile opponent, or simply as a contingency plan.

Though before that I think we need to discuss something more important. We need a breakdown of who we are selling to and how much. We need to reach out to the other FL's and see who is getting what. Even beyond the factions, we need to know who we are selling to currently.

 

[Gaja]

Well if this was a meeting of the Hutt Lords we'd sit down and look at it this way.

Ever since 1015 ABY or something when we took over the Bacta clans on Tyferra we've stored the bacta and accumulated X amount of it on Planet XXX, while only selling a minimal amount of it to force the demand to rise. And still to this day we produce Y amount of it that we store to keep our stockpile full.

Moving pretty much everything of Tyferra, the demand for it is at an all time high after the GA collapsed and the Empire ran out of bacta, so naturally the prices skyrocketed as well. Being the only ones who will sell a healing agent to the Empire, because remember they don't have access to Kolto atm, it's safe to assume that the Empire is our go-to buyer because they have no one else to buy from atm. So if we sell Z amount to them which is a still only a fraction of what they really need, and what we have, then that is enough for now and we can assume that besides the Empire we can sell to local systems and governments that need it to support themselves and the social order.

Of course with the prices being so high and us only partially meeting the market's demands we play a dangerous game in that we don't give it to everyone but rather spoon feed them as "much as we can".

So our buyers would mostly include legitimate governments, like the Empire but also a lot of systems in the galactic South or "Indie" space.

 

[Just Matt Now]

Thats great!! We just need to iron out the actual amount of those variables, and I would like us to have a breakdown of the other governments besides the Empire. Also we need to come up with a planet to store the excess bacta on, the closer we can get it to Hutt space, if not IN Hutt space, the better.

Also, I was thinking. What is the possibility that we find a planet in Hutt space similar to Thyferra in climate and geographic so that we could put the Vratix people on said planet and have them produce more bacta? Just an idea, not sure how possible it is.

 

[Wit]

I think there was something in canon, some comic or maybe the X-Wing novels, stating that Bacta can't be grown anywhere but on Thyferra. Will try to track the reference down.

As for the RP of the Bacta transportation, it also holds potential as a possible series of threads with the Rebels, once they are properly set up and we finalize whatever relationships the Cartel will have with them. We could leak information about one such convoy to them to give some to them to further their cause?

 

[Just Matt Now]

I think there was something in canon, some comic or maybe the X-Wing novels, stating that Bacta can't be grown anywhere but on Thyferra. Will try to track the reference down.

I wouldnt doubt it.

As for the RP of the Bacta transportation, it also holds potential as a possible series of threads with the Rebels, once they are properly set up and we finalize whatever relationships the Cartel will have with them. We could leak information about one such convoy to them to give some to them to further their cause?

And that could certainly work, have them "ambush" a shipment, meanwhile the Cartel has planned it and ha set it up, we get paid by them, and are able to raise the prices to the Empire or whomever.

 

[Wit]

Yeah, exactly what I was thinking. We get paid by the Rebels, and we try and set up our agreement with the Imps in such a manner that it's their responsibility to provide security for the convoys and when the convoy is hit they still have to pay for the stolen bacta. We get paid by two parties for the same shipment and then get more credits from the Imps for the replacement supply that they will obviously need. Plus the Rebels destroy some Imperial ships so that's another plus for them!

 

[Gaja]

Thats great!! We just need to iron out the actual amount of those variables, and I would like us to have a breakdown of the other governments besides the Empire. Also we need to come up with a planet to store the excess bacta on, the closer we can get it to Hutt space, if not IN Hutt space, the better.

Do we really need a breakdown? Because on a galactic scale that'd be pretty difficult to put together, especially when really all we know is like 10-15 planet names.

I do agree that we should pick a storage planet for the bacta though.

Also, I was thinking. What is the possibility that we find a planet in Hutt space similar to Thyferra in climate and geographic so that we could put the Vratix people on said planet and have them produce more bacta? Just an idea, not sure how possible it is.

We can certainly try, you know make a thread, give it a shot or whatever, whether or not we can actually produce it is a whole different question.

I think there was something in canon, some comic or maybe the X-Wing novels, stating that Bacta can't be grown anywhere but on Thyferra. Will try to track the reference down.

As for the RP of the Bacta transportation, it also holds potential as a possible series of threads with the Rebels, once they are properly set up and we finalize whatever relationships the Cartel will have with them. We could leak information about one such convoy to them to give some to them to further their cause?

Find that proof son. ;D

Also NO, we are not going to give the Rebels our Bacta like that, maybe way later on we supply them at a discount or something, but ruining our business over their cause like that is just stupid. They already have kolto options anyway and while I agree that the story has potential we'll have to see how the whole relationship develops before we give millions and millions and millions and millions and millions of credits to the Rebels out of our own pocket.

Yeah, exactly what I was thinking. We get paid by the Rebels, and we try and set up our agreement with the Imps in such a manner that it's their responsibility to provide security for the convoys and when the convoy is hit they still have to pay for the stolen bacta. We get paid by two parties for the same shipment and then get more credits from the Imps for the replacement supply that they will obviously need. Plus the Rebels destroy some Imperial ships so that's another plus for them!

Since when do the Rebels have money anyway? : O

However I do agree that you're on to something there. HOWEVER what you're describing is a one time move. You can't just put threads together where constantly the Imps get attacked by the Rebels, they are going to figure out that someone's talking. No what we do is agree to sell them the biggest shipment of bacta ever, and then we tell the Rebels about it. Fill the ships with waaaaay less bacta than agreed and send them on their merry way and blow the ship up in mid space regardless what happens. That's how we get paid and screw the Imps over properly.

And only after that do we tip the Rebels of about some shipments and blame it on the Imps, it's them that have a leak in their ranks not us! We're the bad guys and don't like the Rebels anyway!

 

[Brandon Rhea]

I do hope that what you're saying about the Rebels here is just about the bacta, and not about a relationship with the Rebels in general. I don't agree with Toska all that much on his bacta points, but I do agree that the faction needs a clear direction. The easiest way to get direction is to pick sides, and the Rebels make the most sense for the Hutts. You don't have to rush that, but it does need to start happening soon. The faction can't go on forever without a clear focus.

 

[Gaja]

I thought we already established that direction? The Hutt's are picking the Rebels side in this whole thing, their reasons being self-preservation, but that's the direction. Sadly we can't really pursue that with Cassa away now, can we?

 

[Brandon Rhea]

Just making sure.

 

[Just Matt Now]

No they are definitely the way we are headed, though how we get there is up in the air. The strategy I have in my head is this: Since we do not/cannot have a standing army or militarization of any sort really, we need to rely on that of others. So Indie factions are key, even before we get to the rebels. I think we need to have an alliance so to speak with the mando's first, then focusing on the other indie factions. That way we have backup in case something happens, or we will just have more power to combat the empire.

We can use bacta as a catalyst for all relations, though keeping it covert, while still selling to the empire.

 

[Brandon Rhea]

I don't want to tell you guys what to do, but an alliance with the Mandalorians is idiotic. They have nothing to offer you. It's a few people on an ego trip, not a faction.

 

[Just Matt Now]

Well I was thinking we use the as an army, as well as the Bogan and whatever other Indie faction we could get. Though it does seem that activity in the indie factions has declined. I mean, the direction is the rebels, but that doesnt mean we cant play both sides for as long as we can. Indie factions would just be gathering support until we actually declare our side with the rebels.

I do see what you mean, though. Mandos wont be a focus.

 

[Brandon Rhea]

The point is, the Mandalorians can't provide you with an army. They can provide you with a few PCs but really nothing beyond that.

 

[Gaja]

Bacta​

We own it, others need it.

Hence others want it. Now while I mentioned IC and OOC that things like,production facilities, transports, hyperspace transport routes are a secret there is a strategical weakness in our system that remains.

The planet Tyferra, the source of bacta. While it's never been actually explained where all the bacta is being held, I always assumed the cartel moved it of planet so in case the Sith make a move on the planet we still control the remains of the bacta.

However I wonder if we shouldn't RP out the transportation or whatever of bacta of world. You know, produce the bacta, store it on ships, move it away from the planet and just be smart about it. If it's a weakness let it be a small weakness and not leave the bacta there for too long. That way we protect our investment.

Aaaaand discuss!

Bringing this back for obvious reasons. Since there is this thread I figured everyone would see it. Now

In this thread it was established IC that the bacta produced on Tyferra was moved in to Hutt space as to counter a possible invasion of the planet and losing everything we have there.

Now the question I ask thee beautiful people, do we need to do a short thread where the bacta is moved or is Vero's statement enough?

 

[Brandon Rhea]

I think you need to RP moving it, and I don't think a short thread is enough. The bacta supply is a big part of the timeline, so it can't just be magically waved somewhere else. Not only is a big part of the timeline, but it is BIG in general. The bacta resources, although small in terms of galactic needs, are still really big. Plus, you'd have to constantly be moving it too. The supply may be moved, but you'd still be making it on Thyferra. The production is still there.

Also keep in mind that doing this is an open invitation for the Sith to attack you. They're going to do it anyway, but this is a statement saying that your trump card - "attack us/expand and we'll destroy the bacta" - was an empty threat.

 

[Just Matt Now]

Well we won't be moving it publicly, so assuming that we have covered all of our bases in moving the bacta, no one would ever know.

 

[Butler]

Plus we could always still threaten to destroy the source. But yeah, facts are Bacta comes from the planet and will continue coming from the planet. AND, the Sith are going to attack it at some point or another. SO, I remind you Hutt Lordians of my brilliance -I mean my idea about the poison... Do you recall?? We do it, we blame someone else, we demolish the obvious extraction point and syphon it out from another underground point and begin icly rping the moving/shipping of secret Bacta relocation all in one thread. Even cooler idea to consider is blaming the Sith outright for hitting the planet, even though they didn't... Could be interesting? But I'm tellin you guys whatever we do we should probably do it now before its too late.

 

[Just Matt Now]

Plus we could always still threaten to destroy the source. But yeah, facts are Bacta comes from the planet and will continue coming from the planet. AND, the Sith are going to attack it at some point or another. SO, I remind you Hutt Lordians of my brilliance -I mean my idea about the poison... Do you recall?? We do it, we blame someone else, we demolish the obvious extraction point and syphon it out from another underground point and begin icly rping the moving/shipping of secret Bacta relocation all in one thread. Even cooler idea to consider is blaming the Sith outright for hitting the planet, even though they didn't... Could be interesting? But I'm tellin you guys whatever we do we should probably do it now before its too late.

Completely forgot about this. We could use Klatooine and say that the STC is trying to finish off the job and actually murder the Hutt whose palace they attacked.