88RS Stalker

[+SpaceJesus+]

88RS Stalker ​

Affiliation: N/A

Ownership: Ve'kas'siir, though not intended for individual use. Open to all who would reasonably have this.

Intent:

I see a lot of people mention that their characters carry "hunting rifles," yet I have never seen any interesting takes on the idea other than making a regular rifle with a recharging ammo pack. I wanted to create an interesting and unique kind of weapon with applications that make it seem more relevant to why a "hunting rifle" isn't just a regular recharging gun. This gun is made in a way that it is viable as an actual combat weapon while being identifiable as a hunters rifle.

Model: 88RS Stalker

Type: Mega-Game hunting rifle.

Size: Long rifle. 20 inch barrel. Is actually fairly lightweight, with light plastics making up a majority of the guns frame.

Composition: mostly composed of various lightweight plastics, durasteel and actual steel.

Range: 375 meters ; 100 meters

Ammunition Capacity: 3 rounds (pump action reload) ; 1 Dart

Description:

The 88RS Stalker is specially designed for taking down the most dangerous game animals in the Galaxy. It is lightweight when compared to other long rifles, with sufficient range to keep a distance from its target while being maneuverable enough to be used when there is no luxury of distance. An infrared scope and 7 inch bayonet can be mounted on it. bolts are designed to have the maximum amount of power per round, designed to strike with a large amount of kinetic force and penetration, causing internal trauma from the force behind its impact. A person hit with one of these rounds would be suddenly yanked off balance and thrown back about five feet, experiencing broken bones and heavy bruising in a few inches around the point of impact. Hitting a vital point could cause ruptured organs as well. Glancing shots are significantly less severe, and would probably provide the kinetic force of a medium strike to that area. A lightsaber would also be forced backwards by the force of the round, making it difficult and occasionally dangerous to deflect properly. Because of the force behind each round, the recoil can be quite dramatic. Firing shots in to quick a succession can actually knock the user off balance themselves if they are not properly braced. Striking a rhythm of acceptable firing pace is a skill a needed to use this in combat. It is required that the shooter use ample padding on their shoulder, otherwise they would injure themselves from firing it.

There are two triggers on the 88RS, one closer to the firing hand that fires it's bolts, while the other fires from a second lower positioned barrel that holds a five inch dart with a gas canister. This dart is called a "gas tag." The canister is filled with a greenish powder with a distinct radioactive signature. There is a slider on the side of the gun opposite of the safety that can be adjusted before firing, priming the dart to explode after a certain amount of time, and thus a calculated number of meters, or to explode on impact. When the dust is released it covers a few meter radius in a green smoke cloud. Anything within the radius of the cloud is "tagged" with the radioactive signature as it sticks to their skin and clothing, and can be tracked and sighted by special sensors attuned to its radioactive signature. The substance can cause mild itching and stinging once it has bonded to the targets skin, like a rash is quickly developing. One can become immune to these effects if exposed to the gas repeatedly and for long enough periods. This technology is not perfect in some respects. When firing into a crowd, it may be nigh impossible to tell which person is which, as any radioactivity reader would only give vague outlines of each person tagged. Shifting the slider to the correct release point can be extremely difficult to do accurately, especially in high tension situations. Only those who have extensive experience with the rifle can consistently land an accurate release without needing impact. The signature also dissipates completely after 48 hours.

What makes this different from other, similar tech?

Details a bit of technology that is original, yet not implausible and makes sense in the guns purpose. Uses a new kind of tech that adds some flavor to the guns capabilities. This gun fulfills a niche that is not fulfilled anywhere else in the technology boards.

 

[FinnSimmons]

Is it a projectile weapon or is it a blaster? Because even a AMR does not knock someone back when they are hit by it. And I doubt a blaster would. Bullets penetrate they don't impact and transfer their energy. A lightsaber would instantly melt a bullet and if your weapon is a blaster the shot would simply deflect. At least that's my understanding of current site rules.

 

[+SpaceJesus+]

Is it a projectile weapon or is it a blaster? Because even a AMR does not knock someone back when they are hit by it. And I doubt a blaster would. Bullets penetrate they don't impact and transfer their energy. A lightsaber would instantly melt a bullet and if your weapon is a blaster the shot would simply deflect. At least that's my understanding of current site rules.

It's a blaster that has a second lower barrel that fires a single shot gas filled dart. I'll edit to add some detail for that. But as for the kinetic thing I took inspiration from this doohickey in the approved boards, theorizing that a smaller, more controlled kinetic impact could be used in a similar fashion by another gun.

http://www.thestarwarsrp.com/forum/...s-nova-67-blaster-carbine.66806/#post-1269117

I may have to ask about the lightsaber. I figured that if bolts could carry kinetic force, and be made to exhibit a lot of it, then when the blaster bolt "bounced" off of the plasma it would cause an impact too. If one of the tech admins think that that's not a thing that could happen then I'll remove it.

 

[FinnSimmons]

TBH no weapon with a small projectile can ever knock back anything. Thats the nature of the thing. Physics. The target wil give long before it will be pushed back. No mater what fancy dress you put on it. Stress like the impact of a bullet will deform not move something. It would have to be a small target for it to be moved by the impact of a bulet. Thats what kinetic penetrators are about. Even if its made up out of plasma that just means it has les mass that it can bring to bear against a target mass. The bigger object will move the smaller one pretty much applies here. Just think of truck hiting a car. or even better pedestrian. That way around the person would actually move because a truck can't penetrate a pedestrian. Impact area is to large. Same thing other way around. If a car hits a truck the truck will just stand there while the car wil violently deform and come to a halt.
Now slower and heavier projectiles might knock someone out while not penetrating the body e.g. rubber bullets and the likes but they still don't knock you back. Even geting hit smack in the torso by a socker ball it does not knock you back. Obviously the lack of impact energy comes into play at that point. If it were to move fast enough it might knock you over I guess.

 

[+SpaceJesus+]

TBH no weapon with a small projectile can ever knock back anything.

Thats demonstratably false though. I could go get a .22 or a sniper rifle and both would knock over a peice of wood if I shot it. Anyone who has ever been shot or has shot enough things should know there's a lot of leftover kinetic energy in any shot. Heck, there's scenes in TCW where droids are literally being thrown backwards and becoming instantly floored by the kinetic force of a blaster bolt. Again, I'm just basing this off of the fact that we already have approved a blaster that openly uses amped kinetic force. That's already a thing. The question is whether it would apply to something like a lightsaber, which I admit is a bit of a grey area conceptually, which is why I'm hoping that whenever the admins get around to this they will have some input. After other people's tech of course. I don't want to cut in line. :p Yes, the physics may be different on a laser than with a slug, but in the end we really can't apply real world bullet physics to blasters and lightsabers except on a basic conceptual level because these technologies are doing things they logically should not do in the first place.

 

[Andrewza]

sorry I don't see them throwing any body back any distance. One yes blaster in canon can throw a man back, they have the power of a small explosive and in a few case one shot as knocked several people down. But the site blasters don't do that so why will this one.

 

[FinnSimmons]

Well now we are getting into semantics. A piece of wood has different density and composition than human tissue. Yes, bullets get stuck in wood. Therefore by impacting and releasing the remaining energy in the projectile the wood can be knocked over. You still won't topple a tree over that way. It still does not fly through the air.

I implore you to watch Mythbusters Episodes 25 and 38. The effects of any small an fast object on a large and soft object remain the same. The one thing I can imagine in this regard would be "sonic blasters". Those actually might be able to knock someone over given enough power, since they shoot basically contained shock waves.

And for the 'knock back' on blasters, can we get non animation examples? Say from the live acion movies? Because I will shut up imediately if there is a live action scene where a blaster throws a dude through the air.

 

[Andrewza]

There are. Movie examples. Froom memory. Clone wars during the first battle of geonosis a clone trooper blew a destroyer driod backwards. New movie bow caster did it a few times. But it matters not our blaster's dont and so why should a hunting rifel.

 

[DancingFox]

You could always take a page from Chiss Technology, since they employ Maser weaponry. Laser weaponry with a powerful kinetic punch.

 

[+SpaceJesus+]

I thought about that, but it kinda seemed a bit to high tech if I added that to the other details. Btw looked it up on wookiepedia and it officially states blaster bolts have kinetic force, and that they could be geared to do this kind of thing. I think it's reasonable to assume we could make a regular blaster bolt that shot with the force needed to force back a lightsaber, or at least be very difficult to deflect.

Its almost hilarious though how much I've edited this thing since I posted it several months ago. I saw Kiro approving stuff and I spent a whole day tweaking it and then just before he got to mine he got tired and stopped, which was depressing, but helpful cause it made me rethink some things. Like, semi automatic fire with this seemed crazy.

 

[DancingFox]

I honestly really like this thing, and I think my snobby rich boy mercenary might end up using this, if it becomes approved.

 

[Outlander]

I thought about that, but it kinda seemed a bit to high tech if I added that to the other details. Btw looked it up on wookiepedia and it officially states blaster bolts have kinetic force, and that they could be geared to do this kind of thing. I think it's reasonable to assume we could make a regular blaster bolt that shot with the force needed to force back a lightsaber, or at least be very difficult to deflect.

Its almost hilarious though how much I've edited this thing since I posted it several months ago. I saw Kiro approving stuff and I spent a whole day tweaking it and then just before he got to mine he got tired and stopped, which was depressing, but helpful cause it made me rethink some things. Like, semi automatic fire with this seemed crazy.

@Kiro is a she

 

[Gaiaverse]

@Kiro is a she

Well, guess this is getting denied now.

 

[+SpaceJesus+]

Well, guess this is getting denied now.

Well then. I'm going to go to my corner now

*stares into abyss and rethinks life*

 

[Outlander]

Well then. I'm going to go to my corner now

*stares into abyss and rethinks life*

"Stare long enough into the abyss, and the abyss stares into you."

 

[Logan]

"Stare long enough into the abyss, and the abyss stares into you."

Coincidentally, it's also how you summon Kiro. ;)

 

[Kiro]

@+SpaceJesus+ - The reason this has taken so long to review is because I need to discuss this thing with Clayton, and Clayton has been terribly busy with school and work and other RL issues. Expect a judgement soon(TM).

 

[+SpaceJesus+]

Oh I wasn't complaining, I understand. It's okay

 

[Outlander]

Oh I wasn't complaining, I understand. It's okay

I dunno. That sounds an awful lot like complaining...

(<3)

 

[Darasuum]

time for me to comment i guess. i've submited a hunting/marksman/sniper rifle of my own so i want to weigh in on this.

knock back
so i see many people feel that the rifle wouldn't "throw" people back as much as it's stated. all i can really say is look at the evidence in "canon"

Spoiler: like this

notice that even with the X-wing's weapons it didn't throw the stormtrooper to the ground. blasters still carry kinetic force and are portrayed as such in star wars. but the extent at which they do so is kind of iffy. do i think that this rifle should throw people several meters? no, i think that is a little too theatrical. instead i think it would be something like predator's shoulder burner and just burn through a victim making them drop to their knees with cooked hamburgermeat for the inside. but also this is a universe that isn't technically sci-fi. sci-fi bases itself on science, in star wars ships make sound in the vacuum of space so the laws of science are a bit bendy.

to counter my own statement of uber death via yautja burner method i don't think you have to decide which path to go down before it can further be critiqued. the way i understand blaster technology is that it fires a bolt of energy by encapsulating said energy in a controlled field/shell. this then carries the energy (usually from tibanna gas) along the projected route from the barrel/emitter of a blaster. this shell along with the energy does displace matter and carries some form of physical interaction but is otherwise energy. this means that the blaster will only penetrate into whatever the amount of energy it bears can. so if it has enough energy to basically melt through your clothes like a blowtorch through butter than it will hit the skin and even go further into the muscle, tissue, fat and even bone but usually the damage is done because of the energy transfer that occurs. the blaster essentially flash cooks it's targets, not rip them apart. if you want to cause rending/laceration or bludgeoning damage to a target it needs to be with a physical projectile and not an energy one.

i think i talked way too much in that last part.^


Gas Tag
the whole gas tag thing is a bit iffy to me. when you go into radioactive science it can be a bit touchy because of the number of species that are sensitive to these sort of things. i think having the two in one idea might be best if you do so separately since that seems more like what a zoologist would do to keep track of animal migrations or conservation wardens and not someone who has a gun meant to take down an enraged reek.

in addition to its tracking it also "softens" the target? i don't see how it could weaken, basically force a living being to have their body degrade in an almost pre-mortim decay so it can be killed easier by a blaster that sounds like a cannon with a scope on it. if it can weaken a large beast with shells/scales or whatever wouldn't it do more than just "itch" on normal skin like a humans and even worse on other species with sensitive tissue?