Finally

[Sovereign]

http://www.nytimes.com/2011/02/24/us/24marriage.html?_r=1&hp

This is long overdue.

 

[Bob the Spy]

And they all lived happily ever after.

 

[Jaqen H'ghar]

This is awesome! :D

 

[Random Hero]

That is great news; but sadly I believe there is a motive behind the timing. Most likely to divert attention from several other current events, and perhaps to score some political points.

 

[jpchewy01]

That is great news; but sadly I believe there is a motive behind the timing. Most likely to divert attention from several other current events, and perhaps to score some political points.

So? Abe freed the slaves to score political points.

 

[GABA]

http://www.nytimes.com/2011/02/24/us/24marriage.html?_r=1&hp

This is long overdue.

I said that too when I saw the story earlier. About time.

 

[Malz]

I saw the title of this thread and immediately knew what it was about. ^_^ It really made my day, seeing this in the headlines.

 

[Empress]

That is great news; but sadly I believe there is a motive behind the timing. Most likely to divert attention from several other current events, and perhaps to score some political points.

sorta... because this only really opens up a " few" federal things in states where it's already allowed.

What this is more or less is positioning things. To force rebuttals, and open the floor to debates on a pretty serious social issue... a theory is that many on the right or far right will make themselves look like idiots, and basically screw alot of support and momentum they may be able to generate. IT doe not help the president himslef one way or another, in the end it's bait for Congress







though I think the new things being looked into in Georgia is going to catch hell too... thanks to rep Bobby Franklin
" they want to make is so that you can't call someone a Rape ( or any sexual crime) a "victim of____" but an " accuser of_____"

which you know, you can medically prove someone is a victim, but this also puts more shame, and thus secrecy of people who are victims.....in a state that has the worst report rate ( read it, women, and kids just keep quiet )

the term " victim " can only be applied AFTER a conviction.

also looking to make it so that miscarriages are to be investigated as homicide and the woman can face charges unless it's a 100% no chance it could have happened any-other way than a completely medically unavoidable thing, and the argument being that any woman miscarrying would have WEEKS to months warning, and all these other signs...........which actually is utterly utterly false....


apparently there is a belief Georgia women are out of control and things need to be returned to a simpler time...

( you know back when the Rape, beatings, lynchings, child predators were ALL the same as they are today, just nobody talked about it so it 'seemed' like better times )

 

[Derpy Boots]

That is great news; but sadly I believe there is a motive behind the timing. Most likely to divert attention from several other current events, and perhaps to score some political points.

This. Obama has utterly failed his presidency and is now buying time until his term is over.

So? Abe freed the slaves to score political points.

Abe also went into office supporting slavery and only changed it because it appealed to the public.

 

[jpchewy01]

Abe also went into office supporting slavery and only changed it because it appealed to the public.

Sounds a lot like Obama to me, but Abe was beyond the "support slavery, don't support slavery" thing. He recognized that to free the slaves, something drastic would have to occur that would most likely destroy the Union (hence the Civil War). He thought a unified nation was better than a fractured nation where Blacks were free.

 

[Empress]

actually with Abe it was purely to " preserve the union" he honestly did not care how in his first term..

sleeping in hospitals with the wounded and dying when visiting the front lines, seeing the freedman up close and talking to them in person, and actually being exposed to them more, Abe actually by his second term had an actual emotional motivation and had a major change in his initial views. not really political based, all moral really... but more over yeah in his first terms he was really just wanting a middle ground to keep the union intact.

 

[Derpy Boots]

Sounds a lot like Obama to me, but Abe was beyond the "support slavery, don't support slavery" thing. He recognized that to free the slaves, something drastic would have to occur that would most likely destroy the Union (hence the Civil War). He thought a unified nation was better than a fractured nation where Blacks were free.

True enough. I only have a problem with Lincoln because the people who were really holding the country together (a/i the soldiers/officers, etc.) had a problem with him. And imo their word speaks heavier than his.

 

[jpchewy01]

I only have a problem with Lincoln because the people who were really holding the country together (a/i the soldiers/officers, etc.) had a problem with him.

How so?

Oh, and btw, I am not against Obama.

 

[Brandon Rhea]

That is great news; but sadly I believe there is a motive behind the timing. Most likely to divert attention from several other current events, and perhaps to score some political points.

They were waiting until after DADT was overturned. It would've been too risky to go full force. Not to mention the Supreme Court will likely take up a gay marriage case this year, so the administration needs to get out in front of that.

 

[Derpy Boots]

How so?

About halfway through the war Lincoln started trying to run the entire thing from his office. His generals couldn't do anything without his say-so, and he ran them up the walls with his absurd orders that extended the war by several months. Essentially, nothing could get done without his say-so and the entire Union army was turned from a well-oiled machine into, well, a piece of crap. The generals had quite a bone to pick with him and the soldiers beneath them also realized the irrationality of his decisions. Meanwhile Lincoln was drawling on how much he "supports the troops".

 

[jpchewy01]

About halfway through the war Lincoln started trying to run the entire thing from his office. His generals couldn't do anything without his say-so, and he ran them up the walls with his absurd orders that extended the war by several months. Essentially, nothing could get done without his say-so and the entire Union army was turned from a well-oiled machine into, well, a piece of crap. The generals had quite a bone to pick with him and the soldiers beneath them also realized the irrationality of his decisions. Meanwhile Lincoln was drawling on how much he "supports the troops".

I am inclined to disagree. Some of the best generals went South after Mexico. Lincoln took things into his own hands after his generals proved incompetent.

 

[Derpy Boots]

I am inclined to disagree. Some of the best generals went South after Mexico. Lincoln took things into his own hands after his generals proved incompetent.

Union Generals weren't known for military savvy, true, but think along the lines of communication. Orders took hours, even days to reach the front and be executed, and the entire situation could have changed in that time, leaving orders completely useless. Even an incompetent officer can tell that if he has a force of a thousand men and the enemy a mile away has 500 it would be in his best interest to attack, and in the first half of the war they would, and it won them many battles, but then this guy comes along telling you that if you attack without his say-so you would be tried for insubordination. So the entire front was put on hold as Lincoln sent useless orders in every direction. I saw a whachamacallit once that covered what would have been a decisive victory for the Union had Lincoln not had his "green light" policy in place. It was where a very strong Confederate force was surrounded on three sides by an even stronger Union force, their cannons literally aimed right at them, but by the time they got their green light from Lincoln, the Confederate army had already escaped.

 

[Sovereign]

Why are we talking about the civil war?

 

[Brandon Rhea]

Per SIN. Feel free to create a thread to discuss this topic, but this thread here is about the Obama administration and the Defense of Marriage Act.

 

[jpchewy01]

Why are we talking about the civil war?

I commented on how Obama's use of gay rights was similar to Lincolns use of freedom.