Confirmed: Bin Laden is dead.

[Random Hero]

 

[Damocles]

Removing a terrorist, a murderer, does make the world a better place, if only a little. The loss of his life is nothing to mourn, but something to celebrate for he committed his life towards violence and hate and death. I do not know where you live or how old you are, but I remember September 11th, watching the Twin Towers falling and 3,000 fellow Americans die. This was the mastermind, the man responsible, the man who declared war on us. Very few will mourn him and fewer still loved him. His own family disowned him. You speak of the loss of humanity, his man had no humanity. Not for Amercians, not for Spanish, not for Brits, and not even for his fellow Muslims. Muslims being the ones who have suffered the most from his fellowers' suicide bombings. Now this monster, the face of evil in our time, is dead. Joy is what I feel. I wish I could dance on his grave.

Well I have no more to say to that, generally because I have nothing really to say to the last sentence. Pretty much sums up what I was talking about.

 

[Raider]

Well I have no more to say to that, generally because I have nothing really to say to the last sentence. Pretty much sums up what I was talking about.

So, you can't address the entire post, because you don't know how to address the last sentence? Very well.

Removing a terrorist, a murderer, does make the world a better place, if only a little. The loss of his life is nothing to mourn, but something to celebrate for he committed his life towards violence and hate and death. I do not know where you live or how old you are, but I remember September 11th, watching the Twin Towers falling and 3,000 fellow Americans die. This was the mastermind, the man responsible, the man who declared war on us. Very few will mourn him and fewer still loved him. His own family disowned him. You speak of the loss of humanity, his man had no humanity. Not for Amercians, not for Spanish, not for Brits, and not even for his fellow Muslims. Muslims being the ones who have suffered the most from his fellowers' suicide bombings. Now this monster, the face of evil in our time, is dead. Joy is what I feel.

There we go. Now you propering address the points I made. Unless of course you can't.

 

[Brandon Rhea]

Calling it now -

America says mission accomplish and pulls out of afgahnistan. Pakistan goes into civil war. Afgahistan goes to civil war aswell due to major taliban offensive(s) in the region.

oh well.

You're calling it wrong. No one here thinks the mission is accomplished. If they do, they're idiots. The government and the media was saying all night long that this doesn't end the conflict by a longshot.

 

[Random Hero]

My above post aside,

I am glad he is dead. My uncle was one of those people running down the street to escape the debris cloud following the WTC collapse. This is justice for the thousands that were killed on September 11, 2001.

That said, while this is a great morale boost for our country, it really changes nothing in the war on terror. To the extremist around the globe, a heroic martyr to the cause was slain by the infidels.

This historic event will bolster and strengthen the resolve our troops and theirs equally. This may very well lead to an escalation in the global war on terror.

 

[Dmitri]

This historic event will bolster and strengthen the resolve our troops and theirs equally. This may very well lead to an escalation in the global war on terror.

This mostly will happen. We'll use Osama's death as a morale boost, claiming we've taken out the major head of terrorism. However, al-Qaeda (probably misspelled this) will probably make Osama into a martyr or claim he's assended into godhood or something or other. Still, some al-Qaeda followers may quit or lose faith but Osama's death will motivate new members to join. Ultimately, Osama's death will be used by both sides to strengthen their hold.

 

[Malon]

That's what Osama gets for using his real address on his PS3.

I LOL'ed so hard at this.

 

[Cailst]

Removing a terrorist, a murderer, does make the world a better place, if only a little. The loss of his life is nothing to mourn, but something to celebrate for he committed his life towards violence and hate and death. I do not know where you live or how old you are, but I remember September 11th, watching the Twin Towers falling and 3,000 fellow Americans die. This was the mastermind, the man responsible, the man who declared war on us. Very few will mourn him and fewer still loved him. His own family disowned him. You speak of the loss of humanity, his man had no humanity. Not for Amercians, not for Spanish, not for Brits, and not even for his fellow Muslims. Muslims being the ones who have suffered the most from his fellowers' suicide bombings. Now this monster, the face of evil in our time, is dead. Joy is what I feel. I wish I could dance on his grave.

Certainly, he was a man who caused much death and destruction and his death was justified. However, to deny him humanity goes a little too far. He is more than the sum of the terrorist attacks, he was a son, a brother, a husband, a father. While his destructive actions probably far outweigh his constructive actions in scale, he was still human and deserves at least a little bit of simple dignity in death.

 

[Ols]

Actually, it does matter what he did in his life. Justice is worthy of celebration.

Removing a terrorist, a murderer, does make the world a better place, if only a little. The loss of his life is nothing to mourn, but something to celebrate for he committed his life towards violence and hate and death. I do not know where you live or how old you are, but I remember September 11th, watching the Twin Towers falling and 3,000 fellow Americans die. This was the mastermind, the man responsible, the man who declared war on us. Very few will mourn him and fewer still loved him. His own family disowned him. You speak of the loss of humanity, his man had no humanity. Not for Amercians, not for Spanish, not for Brits, and not even for his fellow Muslims. Muslims being the ones who have suffered the most from his fellowers' suicide bombings. Now this monster, the face of evil in our time, is dead. Joy is what I feel. I wish I could dance on his grave.

Sorry, I can't for one minute begin to condone the man's actions in any way shape or form, in fact I strongly believe the man was an abomination of a human being, but there is nothing just in killing somebody, no matter who they are. This won't bring catharsis, the people who actually committed the atrocities in 9/11 died then and there. Bin Laden led the terrorist organisation that committed the atrocities and had been involved with both that and several other terrorist attacks around the globe. He was scum of the very lowest denomination.

But that does not give us, the victims families, the President of the US or anyone else the right to appoint themselves judge, jury and executioner. If God exists in one way shape or form, maybe He has the right to decide who deserves to live and who has done things not to be worthy of life, but we certainly do not.

And even if his death does seem just to you, any death is not worthy of a celebration because that person no longer lives. 9/11 itself happened 10 years ago, maybe the families and friends of the victims had moved on, and if they hadn't after this long, I doubt this news will bring them a fresh start. Yeah, it might make you feel a little better but killing him doesn't undo what he did. It just adds one more corpse to the death toll.

 

[Dmitri]

Certainly, he was a man who caused much death and destruction and his death was justified. However, to deny him humanity goes a little too far. He is more than the sum of the terrorist attacks, he was a son, a brother, a husband, a father. While his destructive actions probably far outweigh his constructive actions in scale, he was still human and deserves at least a little bit of simple dignity in death.

Sorry, I can't for one minute begin to condone the man's actions in any way shape or form, in fact I strongly believe the man was an abomination of a human being, but there is nothing just in killing somebody, no matter who they are. This won't bring catharsis, the people who actually committed the atrocities in 9/11 died then and there. Bin Laden led the terrorist organisation that committed the atrocities and had been involved with both that and several other terrorist attacks around the globe. He was scum of the very lowest denomination.

But that does not give us, the victims families, the President of the US or anyone else the right to appoint themselves judge, jury and executioner. If God exists in one way shape or form, maybe He has the right to decide who deserves to live and who has done things not to be worthy of life, but we certainly do not.

And even if his death does seem just to you, any death is not worthy of a celebration because that person no longer lives. 9/11 itself happened 10 years ago, maybe the families and friends of the victims had moved on, and if they hadn't after this long, I doubt this news will bring them a fresh start. Yeah, it might make you feel a little better but killing him doesn't undo what he did. It just adds one more corpse to the death toll.

I agree that he should have been given a trial, which would most likely and most certainly would lead to his execution.

One thing I would disagree with your statements is if bin Laden attempted to attack as the soldiers raided the place. Then they would have had justification to defend themselves if their original goal was to capture, not kill, the terrorist. I don't know the details of the operation so it would be that this was the case, or the soldiers simply banged down the door and shot the guy before he could think "Oh my Allah!"*or something.


*The quote isn't suppose to be racists, for those who interpret it that way. I original was going to have it say "Oh my God", but then remembered that the Muslims worship Allah. If I'm mistake, by all means, please correct me and I'll edit it.

 

[Sovereign]

What the liberals don't understand is that this is a war. During WW2, it was normal for the allies to cheer the defeat of their enemies, so there's nothing wrong with celebrating the death of Osama. Moreover, he was also an enemy soldier. You don't normally ask those to surrender in the battle field, or try to capture them to bring them across the ocean back home. You simply shoot them. That's it.

 

[Ols]

I agree that he should have been given a trial, which would most likely and most certainly would lead to his execution.

As per my previous post, my opinions on execution before or after trial are much the same. As far as I'm concerned even a jury or judge has no right to decide who should die. But that's a different debate.

One thing I would disagree with your statements is if bin Laden attempted to attack as the soldiers raided the place. Then they would have had justification to defend themselves if their original goal was to capture, not kill, the terrorist. I don't know the details of the operation so it would be that this was the case, or the soldiers simply banged down the door and shot the guy before he could think "Oh my Allah!"*or something.

The details suggest a firefight broke out. He was shot in the head at some point. Whether he was killed in the firefight or told to kneel, close his eyes and was executed, or whether he took a gun to himself when he realised the situation was inescapable, I doubt we'll be told. But whichever way it went, the guy was killed and Obama is reporting that as operation: successful, and moreover whether he was intended to be taken alive or not (I think the latter to be honest) is irrelevant.

It is the reactions of the world leaders and the people (mostly Americans, as few other reactions are being reported on), and certain comments in this thread, such as "justice should be celebrated" and "Joy is what I feel. I wish I could dance on his grave." (as I quoted in my above post) that I was responding to.

 

[Emma Lou]

It was reported that he was firing with a pistol and using a woman as a shield.

And Osama getting killed is like a murderer here in America going to the electric chair or getting life in prison. It does bring closure to victims families that he will never be able to hurt another person again.

 

[Brandon Rhea]

Bin Laden was an enemy combatant. His death was a military operation, it has nothing to do with being judge, jury, and executioner. The death is justified as a wartime action.

 

[Kouta]

Leave it to America to out do a royal wedding...

 

[Brandon Rhea]

Leave it to America to out do a royal wedding...

http://www.facebook.com/pages/And-Thats-how-the-USA-outdoes-a-Royal-Wedding/183567638361529

 

[Jake]

Bin Laden was an enemy combatant. His death was a military operation, it has nothing to do with being judge, jury, and executioner. The death is justified as a wartime action.

This pretty much sums it up imo. All of the terrorists killed in that operation deserved a trial, but they took it upon themselves to lose that opportunity.

In other news, the cynicism in this thread is suffocating.

 

[Brandon Rhea]

This pretty much sums it up imo. All of the terrorists killed in that operation deserved a trial, but they took it upon themselves to lose that opportunity.

Yeah, and I would've preferred it if he was captured and rotted in prison for the rest of his life, but let's understand the fact that Bin Laden was never, ever going to allow that to happen. That's the key difference between him and, say, Saddam Hussein. Saddam was a coward and hid in a hole. Bin Laden, kidney machine attached to him or not, was going to fight to the death -- and he did.

 

[Sovereign]

apparently he used a woman as a human shield

 

[Emma Lou]

It was reported that he was firing with a pistol and using a woman as a shield.

apparently he used a woman as a human shield

Hmmmmmmm :CAbove