Video Captures Stoning of Kurdish Teenage Girl

[Ser Gregor]

Mosul, Iraq -- According to the Kurdish website Jebar.info up to 1000 men from the Yezidi Kurdish community of Mosul killed a teenager who's only crime was running away to marry a Muslim man whom she loved and converting to his religion.

For four months the girl had been given shelter by a local Muslim Sheik. It was reported that in the last few days her family persuaded her to return home, convincing her that she had been forgiven by her parents and relatives for her mistake.

In a short mobile video clip which appears to have been taken by locals at seen of the murder, the girl is seen being ambushed on her way home by a group of up to 1000 men who were waiting for her to return; the men killed her in the most brutal way possible, by throwing large stones on her head. The following clips show that while she is alive and crying for help she is taunted and kicked in her stomach until someone finishes her off by throwing a large stone on her face.

From the clips it appears that the girl was first stripped naked to symbolize that she had dishonored her family and her Yezidi religion. She is lying on the road naked while her smashed face is covered with blood and still breathing.

According to the website and footage from the clip a number of armed local police officers were present who in fact helped the crowd to kill the woman rather than preventing the crime. Sometime later the Iraqi army arrived at the scene and refused anyone entry, including the press.

Killing women for reasons of honor, shame and religion does happens in regions of Kurdistan and Iraq. The above incidents are not uncommon in some of the deeply religious and traditional communities. For long violence against women has been commonly used as a political and religious weapon and as a means of social control.[/b]

http://www.aina.org/news/20070425181603.htm

As a warning, some parts are very intense, definately not for the feint of heart.

 

[Kit]

That's sick. And the worst part is that her family lured her back to her death.

I guess this just shows us all how lucky we are. I sure as hell wouldn't want to live in a place where killings like that were a common happening.

It's just wrong...

 

[Hue]

This topic reminds me of "The Lottery"...

So Yeah. Death by rocks equals bad.

 

[Hassan]

For the record : This is what happends when you fuck up a country.

For another record.

Someone give me a gun, a plane ticket. and lots of ammunition.

-_- my god @ the videos. omfg.

just..

Gun. Please. Now. Pref a Semi automatic... oh fuck it, just give me a bomb. a very large bomb ¬_¬

 

[Brandon Rhea]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(aowc02 @ May 2 2007, 09:18 PM) [snapback]162559[/snapback]</div>

Gun. Please. Now. Pref a Semi automatic... oh fuck it, just give me a bomb. a very large bomb ¬_¬[/b]

lol irony

 

[Lillianne Crasse]

Stoning of a woman and even men goes back hundreds of thousands of years and is not a result of recent cultures. Written in the Torah are numerous accounts of persons being stoned for various reasons. In the Bible, there are numerous accounts as well. Remember that Iraq is where many of these things were first enacted. It is the cradle of life as it were. You hear about such things from history and even in some news reports, but to see it first hand in a video clipping is something else. What kind of person can seriously stand there and throw a stone at another person, beating them to death, without having those images emblazened in their minds for all time?

 

[Scarface]

To answer your question. The type of person who was told from birth that it was ok.

Anyways I think the worst part about these videos is that some fucker was sick enough to videotape it.

It isn't surprising, it certainly isn't shocking, it's blood curdling, and sickening, but this has happened in that region since Mesopotamia.

 

[Empress]

well to point one thing out, stoning has been around even pre-human, Gantoris, Erectus, Hanables, and Neanderthals have all been shown to use this form of punishment, though atleast with the first two its thought to be an act of war, only neanderthal and human seem to use it as execution

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Gypsy @ May 2 2007, 09:09 PM) [snapback]162574[/snapback]</div>

What kind of person can seriously stand there and throw a stone at another person, beating them to death, without having those images emblazened in their minds for all time?[/b]

I could, ONLY, and I repeat ONLY if it was a matter of my children's survival, something life or death at that very moment, and the person to be beat was a forever threat to them...and only between that person and I , not a mob...not an ambush... face to face... never against a child ( in my book that girl is still a child at any rate ) never against an innocent, and never over anything as petty as idealogical differances.

and the fact it took 100 to do it, cowards

(/me give Hassan as many bombs as he could want and points him in the direction)
" go get 'em my lil Jihad bear "

 

[Drago Solaris]

*Moved to debate room as this clearly isnt light enough for the General OOC area*

And i know its been going on for years but its just a shock to people who dont come from cultures like this and i actualy despise people who teach children only one way from birth about religions and stuff. It is sick that some person filmed it though.

 

[Empress]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Drago Solaris @ May 3 2007, 10:09 AM) [snapback]162590[/snapback]</div>

*Moved to debate room as this clearly isnt light enough for the General OOC area*

And i know its been going on for years but its just a shock to people who dont come from cultures like this and i actualy despise people who teach children only one way from birth about religions and stuff. It is sick that some person filmed it though.[/b]

on the flip side too, I'm sorta glad someone filmed it and released it too, because that shows the " civilized" world something that in truth they know of but can never really grasp until they see it.

now true stoning as punishment is largely extinct in the western world " though I would not be shocked if it still existed in some small pockets in small small towns in former soviet areas like ukraine , small romanian areas I mean little little back water farm towns MAY have a case now and then...

we easily forget how nasty it is, and so its refreashing to remind ourselves of our humanity, and how horrid it is.

yes, It's been well documented that I'm no fan of humanity, and find our society and civilizations to be failures as far as advancing the species developments, clutching too much to petty ideas and limiting itself while it breeds out of control, and just acts stupidly; wanting nothing more than to see a super desaster ( like a head on hit by apophis, yellow stone eruption, super soler storm, etc) to a) weed out the weakest ( or dumbest) " as true natural selection, not a targeting genocide, just a blow to already overwhelming population", and to mostly hope that humans get it through their stupid heads that there are bigger things to deal with in the universe than whos god or profit has a bigger cock, and how they pay homage to that figure..

however, the acts like this I personally find horrid, savage, primitive, barbaric, and cowardly, its a horrid way to die, ( if your lucky to be killed, as surviving would mean major major brain damage)


Now, I hope this will be shared with the world..and people will make a call to change things, true it may be a cultural thing, but for fuck sakes this is not the late bronze age anymore, if the town is so petty and ignorant, that nothing would have stopped their retarted chimp logic, they should atleast have shot the girl, it would have been quick, and over in an instant.. but nooooooo there little fucking egos got hurt because she became part of another tribe. big fucking deal, try social evolution guys, seriously, your culture WAS the most advanced, and introduced the most advanced mathematics and sciences in the world, now most live in third world conditions and have no real education other than what a cleric " said" things are like.

ug, I know Im not going anywhere with this rant, but geeze, like freaking chimps, thats what this is reminded me of, chimps attack individuals as a mob like this and beat a single chimp to death like this...yes really evolved we are..

 

[Drago Solaris]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Sienn-Var @ May 3 2007, 09:53 PM) [snapback]162594[/snapback]</div>

that there are bigger things to deal with in the universe than whos god or profit has a bigger cock, and how they pay homage to that figure..[/b]

Just a note anyone who takes this up in this thread WILL be warned this is not a whos religioun is best debate thread, if you want to debate it PM a staff member with a sensible first post for the thread and it will be created.

Yes this thread DOES have something to do with religion and im sure if your smart enough you can work out whats right and wrong for this debate thread.

 

[Empress]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Drago Solaris @ May 3 2007, 02:05 PM) [snapback]162596[/snapback]</div>

Just a note anyone who takes this up in this thread WILL be warned this is not a whos religioun is best debate thread, if you want to debate it PM a staff member with a sensible first post for the thread and it will be created.

Yes this thread DOES have something to do with religion and im sure if your smart enough you can work out whats right and wrong for this debate thread.[/b]

as a side note drago, Im not saying anything about one faith or another or targeting anything directly, just that humanity needs to drop the petty things and reform itself or atleast behavior if we want to advance beyond this small rock.

" hope that humans get it through their stupid heads that there are bigger things to deal with in the universe than whos god or profit has a bigger cock, and how they pay homage to that figure.."

means everyone, of any and all faith/non faith as every facet of humanity has had or has mass mob mentality, or violence or ignorance towards opposing forces, and it proves nothing, gets nowhere.

I could not care if it was a islamic tribes rivalry ( which have ALWAYS been violent towards each other) or if it was a group of catholics beating her for becoming Protestant ( which in the recent past has also had its moments of violent uproars, and primitive mob mentality )

hell, even if it were Mahayana, or Lamaism, Scientology, and atheist the concept is the same. believe as you need to , or as you feel is right.. if someone else does not agre, so what, if they are wrong, they are wrong, it's their " fault" to be delt with once life is over.. just stay out of the way, lest them live their " misguided " life, and worry about your own.

 

[Drago Solaris]

I know, i wasnt getting at you, just making sure no one quotes you later going 'OMG BUT JEESUS IS THE BESTEST YOU SUCK'

 

[The Agriculturist]

Disgusting.

 

[Raider]

The thing I found most horrifying wasn't the killing itself, but knowing these people believe what they did was right, justified even.

 

[Empress]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(John D. Raider @ May 4 2007, 04:04 PM) [snapback]162664[/snapback]</div>

The thing I found most horrifying wasn't the killing itself, but knowing these people believe what they did was right, justified even.[/b]

yes that is whats bothering me too, the images, the sounds, the blood, actually seeing her death happen right in front of me.. did nothing to me..death holds little over me.. BUT the OFFICER! standing their smiling and doing NOTHING, the people laughing and teasing, the fact that they really really swarmed around her like small kids around a Piñata do.

no I really am not meaning to compare the girl to a paper animal that you smash with sticks and stones in crowds,, but thats how the group acted

 

[Epic]

But the Piñata is the closest analogy you can get.

 

[Raider]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Sienn-Var @ May 5 2007, 02:17 AM) [snapback]162701[/snapback]</div>

no I really am not meaning to compare the girl to a paper animal that you smash with sticks and stones in crowds,, but thats how the group acted[/b]

Of course thats how they acted. They didn't see her as someone who just wanted to be with the man she loved. They saw a traitor to their culture, a sinner to their faith. Someone who deserved death in the cruelest way. The thing I find most sadding is to know her own family were the ones who lured her back. That their blind devotion to their religion stopped them from loving their daughter and being happy for her. Just because she found love and happiness with someone from a different people and faith.