Star Wars Legends

[Great Jamie]

I'm quite curious about people's opinions on the Expanded Universe and whether Disney was right to throw it all out of the window. So uhh any opinions?

 

[Eccles]

Best thing to happen to the franchise in a long time.

 

[Logan]

Disney was right to torch it.

 

[Great Jamie]

Why? Personally, I think they should’ve kept everything before the films, and kept a few things afterwards, like the story of Mara and Luke, and Thrawn’s campaign against the New Republic.

 

[Logan]

93% of it was total tripe. But even the 7% that was good I was fine with seeing go. I didn’t want to see comic book stories rehashed onto the big screen. I wanted new stories, and to have that true liberty the old stuff needed axed.

Marvel and DC nix their universes when they get too convoluted and wonky. Star Wars never did that ever, so their entire universe was a dumpster fire. Working within that canon would be too difficult and not worth it.

What nuCanon was able to do wih the Mandalorians, for instance, would have been impossible if the EU was still intact. And that’s some of the true gems and wonderful story telling that exists within canon right now. (In my opinion, of course.)

 

[Great Jamie]

93% of it was total tripe. But even the 7% that was good I was fine with seeing go. I didn’t want to see comic book stories rehashed onto the big screen. I wanted new stories, and to have that true liberty the old stuff needed axed.

Marvel and DC nix their universes when they get too convoluted and wonky. Star Wars never did that ever, so their entire universe was a dumpster fire. Working within that canon would be too difficult and not worth it.

What nuCanon was able to do wih the Mandalorians, for instance, would have been impossible if the EU was still intact. And that’s some of the true gems and wonderful story telling that exists within canon right now. (In my opinion, of course.)

But the new canon, in the films anyway, have been tragic. The New Republic, heroes who destroyed the Empire, were killed like idiots, no fight just this massive planet destroying weapons for the tenth time

 

[Logan]

I’ve got no problems with the changed portrayal(s) of characters and such in the movies. nuLuke, in particular, was much more enjoyable than what he was in the EU - where I found him and his shiny, shiny plot armor insufferable.

 

[Great Jamie]

Luke just didn’t make sense, trying to kill a young Padawan when he spent an entire film trying to convert the second most evil person in the galaxy and succeeding? And him dying because of an apparition? His future was far more enjoyable in the EU

 

[Logan]

Meh. He’s a Mary Sue in the eu just like his kids.

And his attempts to redeem Vader make sense, it was his father. He has actual ties to the character and would feel primal urges to save him - flesh and blood and all that.

Time also sullies people and isolation can alter people’s perceptions and motives. In the OT Luke was young and wide eyed. In the new movies, he’s old, bitter and a little off the deep end. Makes sense to me.

 

[Great Jamie]

Kylo was the son of his sister, so his cousin, and surely has blood ties tho. Also, how did he lose in a fight against Rey?

 

[Arcangel]

Luke just didn’t make sense, trying to kill a young Padawan when he spent an entire film trying to convert the second most evil person in the galaxy and succeeding? And him dying because of an apparition? His future was far more enjoyable in the EU

Kylo was the son of his sister, so his cousin, and surely has blood ties tho. Also, how did he lose in a fight against Rey?

Firstly, he never tried to kill Kylo. When confronted with the deep well of the darkside within his nephew, there was a split second of weakness where he ignited his lightsaber. He never attempted to kill him, nor did he want to, it was a kneejerk reaction likely born of his memories and trauma from fighting in the Rebellion against Vader and the Emperor.

He probably lost because hes old, and he cut himself off from the force. Hes rusty and out of practice, probably didnt keep his skills up.

 

[Great Jamie]

Firstly, he never tried to kill Kylo. When confronted with the deep well of the darkside within his nephew, there was a split second of weakness where he ignited his lightsaber. He never attempted to kill him, nor did he want to, it was a kneejerk reaction likely born of his memories and trauma from fighting in the Rebellion against Vader and the Emperor.

He probably lost because hes old, and he cut himself off from the force. Hes rusty and out of practice, probably didnt keep his skills up.

Well I mean you don’t ignite your lightsaber for the fun of it. There are 3 versions of the same clip so I don’t know what happened.
Yoda was several hundred years old, dead in a few years, and also he managed to lift a X Wing by himself without using the force for years, and he defeated Palpatine. Well drew but still

 

[Arcangel]

Well I mean you don’t ignite your lightsaber for the fun of it. There are 3 versions of the same clip so I don’t know what happened.
Yoda was several hundred years old, dead in a few years, and also he managed to lift a X Wing by himself without using the force for years, and he defeated Palpatine. Well drew but still

Did you even watch The Last Jedi? It explains why he did what he did in the movie.

As far as Rey beating Luke, she didnt really beat him, he disarmed her. Then she pulled her lightsaber to her. He didnt have a weapon that would effectively defend against a lightsaber.

 

[Wit]

New canon sucks, so much. EU was awesome. I'm sorry @Relent @Arclight, but both of you are just in the wrong here. Objectively speaking NuCanon sucks.

 

[Logan]

New canon sucks, so much. EU was awesome. I'm sorry @Relent @Arclight, but both of you are just in the wrong here. Objectively speaking NuCanon sucks.

You forgot your /s buddy

Don’t worry, I brought an extra

 

[Great Jamie]

Did you even watch The Last Jedi? It explains why he did what he did in the movie.

As far as Rey beating Luke, she didnt really beat him, he disarmed her. Then she pulled her lightsaber to her. He didnt have a weapon that would effectively defend against a lightsaber.

Yeah I did. He came to end it. So he couldn’t have taken that lightsaber from her or took his own using the force?

 

[Arcangel]

Yeah I did. He came to end it. So he couldn’t have taken that lightsaber from her or took his own using the force?

No he came to confront Ben, and looked into his heart while he was sleeping and saw how much darkness was there. He didnt enter with the intent to kill.

Taking a lightsaber from someone when they are holding it on you isnt easy. And he didnt have a lightsaber of his own to use. Plus he was fighting defensively, he wasnt there to kick Reys ass.

 

[Brandon Rhea]

I am glad that the EU was removed from canon. It was created in a time when different mediums and stories didn’t talk to each other and were barely connected. EU authors ran off in their own direction, and Lucas went off in his. With new movies on the horizon it made sense to want to have one consistent canon, and to do that you have to start over.

Plus, with so much of galactic history covered in the EU, it didn't leave a lot of room for future stories. We'll inevitably get films set in the ancient past, maybe even the far-flung future. That's why the canon currently is set in the era of the existing movies, so as to not step into territory that can be used in future films.

 

[Mazianni]

You're going to find the general membership of this site is incredibly hostile to Legends material in general @Great Jamie , so you're probably not going to get a good conversation out of discussing it unless you mention specifics.

Like the excellent Thrawn trilogy, or X-Wing books, or Jedi Quest books, or KOTOR, or the Boba Fett books, or any of the other massively impressive works of fiction that made up the old EU.

Unless you mention a specific to discuss, the whole topic is going to be tossed out the window as if the EU was nothing but the Yuuzhan Vong and the Sun Crusher.

(And yeah don't bother discussing anything negative about the new movies at all until the marketing hype wears off in 4 or 5 years like it did with the prequels. You're not gonna get anywhere doing that lol)

 

[René]

I personally think that some of the EU stories from the Old Republic timeline should have been kept, like KOTOR, Darth Bane, etc. However, the only post-ROTJ stories I really enjoyed was the Thrawn trilogy, so I was mostly happy to see those stories go and have new ones created. It was necessary to do so for the sake of having the freedom to write new stories. Some aspects of these stories aren't great *cough*Starkiller Base*cough*, but overall I've enjoyed what Disney is giving us.