Real Concern

[Eccles]

Like most of you, I've been reading this thread in the story and I'm quite distraught. Now, I neither have the time right now to go into full detail, but it seems like the Hutt Council is going to be a thing of the past....?

If that happens, the faction is no more, the fleet is no more, the power is no more... it's all going to be small local factions of underworld kingpins trying to assert dominance and at least two decades of power struggles before you get anything as big as it is now. It's like the Five New York Families as in there's no way killing the head of a family is making you king. Addipos, by wiping out the council, will only have something to lose. Not just something. A lot. Everything.

I know there's months of OOC stuff behind the scenes and serious talk of dissolving the faction a few months ago, but please just admit it and give us players that don't want to merge with the Rebellion a chance to at least prepare OOC. If I'm jumping the gun here, then I'm sorry.

 

[Nor'baal]

I would find myself agreeing here. I know the Cartel leadership doesn't really value my opinion a great deal, so I'm not sure if my speaking here will help or harm Eccles argument however;

- If the intention is to wind down the Cartek please tell us.

- And instead of signing over the Cartel to the leader of the Rebellion, and potentially killing the Lordas (which FYI would cause a civil war) why not just promote players to ranks they can make a difference and start stirring up real interest. I'm doing it with the "Commission" but it isn't easy and is only just about doable given the now ever more present risk that the Cartel will cease to be a crime group, and just become the "bank of the rebellion".

 

[The Kyzer]

No, the intention wasn't to wind down the Cartel or even sign it over to the Leader of the Rebellion. It was simply story stuff that my character has worked for since joining the Cartel 2 years ago.

I get your guys' fear however. Something you seem to get wrong here is that you seem to suspect that the Cartel Leadership (specifically myself) is trying to dissolve the Cartel. That would be the opposite of the truth.

Anyway, I've had to resign as Cartel AFL anyway. Does this help allay your fears?

 

[Galavant]

Kyle has probably done more to keep the Cartel a relevant faction, get members engaged in the story, and ensure the role the Cartel plays is one of taking advantage of chaos like Saleucami, than any other member of the Cartel I've seen. He's fought incredibly hard to make sure they don't get subverted, and there actually more than a few members of the Rebellion worried it has become little more than a Cartel outreach program (that's how the Grabd Lord certainly thought of it), so personally not seeing how this ends with the Cartel getting shafted.

 

[BLADE]

Reactions from the real world:

To protect this person's identity (though some --who am I kidding?-- everyone calls him Christlike) I have collated a MAN ON THE STREET REAL PERSON REAL TALK INSTANT TIME POLITICALLY INCORRECT YOUFACE FACEBOOK SNAPCHAT RESPONSE TO THIS.

Which is:

The Cartel and the Rebellion were separate? Whoa mang.

Also a fictional faction might absorb another fictional faction?

- BLADE

 

[Eccles]

Thanks, Blade. Really, thanks. I mean, why bother writing on the site at all.

for the serious replies: It's not like I don't appreciate the hard work put in running a faction, I do, but as I told Kyle on Skype this is one of the rare IC-threads from the higher ranks I've seen since joining (the site). The foreshadowing combined with thr OOC stuff is what made me draw the above conclusion.

You being AFL/FL of two factions was never the reason, neither was any of this specifically aimed at you. Ofcourse, it's your thread I linked, but big plot things that I thought saw coming are things a whole team creates. So please, don't take it personnally, I was blaming all of you in equal measure :')

I know there's supposed to be a Newsletter or whatever coming, but I wanted to be sure before we'd plan long Commission threads and the cartel suddenly gets dissolved due to failing activity and far below average interest.

 

[TheSilentWind]

I personally don't see anything wrong with that thread honestly. I actually like the idea of another non Hutt being the Con Lorda, and I rthink Kyle's character deserves it since he has been one of the few active Champios; Kyle has also dedicated a lot for the Cartel. I don't know why you guys think the Hutt council is being dissolved when I haven't seen anything like that in the thread. I honestly also don' t see what is wrong with Kyle's character beingCon Lorda when their has already been another human who was Con Lorda(and was very active as well)


All I have to stay is congrats Kyle!

 

[Nor'baal]

Eccles isn't - from what I have read - concerned about who has become Con Lorda, it appears his concern is regarding the future of the Cartel, for it's members - who are told nothing and have no say at all in its direction, bar chosing to do missions or not.

 

[BLADE]

Thanks, Blade. Really, thanks. I mean, why bother writing on the site at all.

Friendship? : )

 

[TheSilentWind]

Eccles isn't - from what I have read - concerned about who has become Con Lorda, it appears his concern is regarding the future of the Cartel, for it's members - who are told nothing and have no say at all in its direction, bar chosing to do missions or not.

If you have an idea for the Cartel, submit it to the FL/AFL and see what he has to state about it. From my experience, specifically with the Kessel attack(although I did give credit to you since you are the one that planned it), I got approval from Zaypat to do it. The whole Cartel being dissolved thing that Brandon exaggerating things(something that he himself stated).

 

[Brandon Rhea]

The whole Cartel being dissolved thing that Brandon exaggerating things(something that he himself stated).

Wait, what?

 

[TheSilentWind]

Hi everyone. I can now announce that the Hutt Cartel has a new faction leader! But first, I want to say something regarding what I said in this thread, where I told everyone what we expected out of a new faction leader. In that thread, I talked about issues facing the faction and I talked about it in very blunt terms. I was overly harsh in the application thread, and I did exaggerate the issues in the Hutt Cartel. But I did that on purpose. All of the factions have had issues for way too long, and it's true that the Cartel's solutions to those problems are less obvious due to the faction's less obvious place in a war between Jedi, Sith, and Rebels.

That's exactly why I was overly-harsh. We wanted to find a faction leader who will be motivated in spite of that. We wanted to find a faction leader who is willing to challenge assumptions, challenge other people when they think those people are wrong, and, most importantly, challenge the real problems by presenting solutions. Too often on this site, people don't say what they really think and instead put on a happy face and just nod their head when admins talk. Especially when I talk. I hate that. So having FLs who will actually express their opinions rather than buying into this myth that I or the staff don't allow for disagreement is important.

We have found that FL for the Hutt Cartel. Please join me in welcoming ZayPat as the new Hutt Cartel faction leader!

Pat has great ideas for the few months we have left in the timeline, and he knows that we expect them to carry them out. He very much challenged the points laid out in the application thread, so he fulfilled that expectation very well. We're excited to see his leadership and see him execute the plans he's laid out.

Congratulations to Pat!

 

[Eccles]

I just had a chat with Kyle and he cleared things up for me. Biggest problem seemed to be my latecoming (is that a word) to SWRP.

Also, nothing against Con Lorda Mjolla. Let's just say that if you can't see the whole picture everything seems out of context.

 

[Brandon Rhea]

That was months ago and has zero relevance to anything going on with Kyle's thread.

 

[TheSilentWind]

My statement was in response to Ecclessey's second last sentence in his OP.

" I know there's months of OOC stuff behind the scenes and serious talk of dissolving the faction a few months ago, "

I was responding to this.

 

[Brandon Rhea]

I know, I was too. : )