Move Towards Peace

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Given the fact that the Alsakan Union is outnumbered badly and it doesn't have any factors that dramatically increase its chances of winning a war, I'm thinking of trying to get peace and then try to do other things to undermine the Republic such as trying to arouse suspicion between the senate and the military to divide them so they might more easily fall.
 

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Most definitely not. Not only is this a bad idea overall, but it's a bad idea in the Role Play. Are you familiar with the Alsakan religion, Cailst? You've said before, in your posts, that Van Tien doesn't believe in the Alsakan Religion. That's unimportant. A large proportion of the Alsakan Union does believe in the Alsakan religion and, as such, the Republic are heretics to them; any alliance would be heresy itself. As such, most of these members would rebel, and kill Van Tien, breaking the hold with the Republic. Those that aren't interested in the Alsakan religion are composed of many who hate the Republic, and would refuse to ally with them too, attacking and killing Van Tien. All you would achieve through this alliance is:

1: The Republic betraying us and killing many of us.
2: Many Alsakans leaving the Union, leaving us with even less men.
3: The Alsakans turning against Van Tien, killing him, and making sure no alliance happens.

What you're doing is definitely not the right way to go about things. Instead of working for progress, you're sacrificing the principles on which the Union was founded just to save your skin. Don't regress, but aim for progress. Keep the aims of the Union and instead come up with a better plan! If the Lost Jedi do get an alliance with the Republic, then seek an alliance with the normal Jedi! If the Lost Jedi can't make an alliance with the Republic, then make an alliance with them! Just don't do this terrible idea of siding with the Republic.

I can see your situation. You're screwed if you do, and you're screwed if you don't. If you walk forwards then you fall off a cliff, if you walk backwards then you fall into the fire. And so, you must find a way to walk sideways; find an alternate way, such as siding with the Bounty Hunter's Guild and various other crime syndicates! Or side with the Lost Jedi or Jedi (depending on the thread 'Beware the ideas of March') and get a different ally. Just don't sacrifice the principles of the Alskans.
 
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I never said I was allying with the Republic, just that the both of us would cease to fight each other for a while. That has happened before in Alsakan history so it must have been a legitimate strategy.
 

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I never said I was allying with the Republic, just that the both of us would cease to fight each other for a while. That has happened before in Alsakan history so it must have been a legitimate strategy.

Abandoning war with them after all they've done would do exactly the same as an alliance.
 

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Abandoning war with them after all they've done would do exactly the same as an alliance.

How? It would mean that less Alsakans are dying and that there are more chances for priests to go to Republic planets and try to convert them.
 

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How? It would mean that less Alsakans are dying and that there are more chances for priests to go to Republic planets and try to convert them.

Priests wouldn't want to go to such heretical planets. Just re-read my whole first post, and everything applies.
 

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Priests wouldn't want to go to such heretical planets. Just re-read my whole first post, and everything applies.

Aren't we trying to preserve nature and the only way that others would do that is if they were converted? Plus, if we can negotiate with Republic, we might get the chance to fix up a number of planets.
 

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Aren't we trying to preserve nature and the only way that others would do that is if they were converted? Plus, if we can negotiate with Republic, we might get the chance to fix up a number of planets.

...No? They wouldn't do it. A rebellion would be organized if you did this, Cailst, and I can't promise you that I wouldn't be the one organizing it.
 

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...No? They wouldn't do it. A rebellion would be organized if you did this, Cailst, and I can't promise you that I wouldn't be the one organizing it.

They might, we just would have to capture the ships in the Coruscant battle and then use them to ensure that peace is at least at the status quo. Plus, there were thousands of years of peace between the Republic and Alsakan Union, why would this peace be any different?
 

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They might, we just would have to capture the ships in the Coruscant battle and then use them to ensure that peace is at least at the status quo. Plus, there were thousands of years of peace between the Republic and Alsakan Union, why would this peace be any different?

Because now we've been at war with them for some time.
 

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Though if we do get to hold Coruscant, wouldn't the peace be worth it as we would get to fix up Coruscant which was our goal in the war because it killed our Vicar some number of years ago.
 

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Considering this is all OOC talk in planning...

Making a peace with the Republic or Light Jedi is a bad idea like Storm said. But making an alliance with the Lost Jedi/Rogue Jedi/Whatever the Jedi that left the order are called could be a good idea, but they woulden't want to join a loosing side unless we had something to offer them, I'd think.
 

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Why would peace be a bad idea? I can't see us surviving the war for much longer. If we have peace, we can attempt to undermine the Republic by trying to encourage separatists in their lands, selling drugs to them, trying to reduce trust between the senate and the military. If we could get them to do a civil war, we could then side with one side and get a lot of land in the process and we would probably be the deciding factor in such a conflict.
 

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Why would peace be a bad idea? I can't see us surviving the war for much longer. If we have peace, we can attempt to undermine the Republic by trying to encourage separatists in their lands, selling drugs to them, trying to reduce trust between the senate and the military. If we could get them to do a civil war, we could then side with one side and get a lot of land in the process and we would probably be the deciding factor in such a conflict.

If we have peace, we betray what we've been doing in the war for the last while, and I doubt the Republic would take it anyway. They'd smell a rat before you'd even come near. And if you seek peace, that's basically saying: "You have us exactly where you want us, cowering for peace and desperate not to get killed. Please come finish us off." That's what it says to the Republic. To Alsakans, it appears as if you're saying: "Okays, we were wrong for the last however many months we've been fighting, and they've been killing us. Despite the killing flaws, they're not too bad people really! I promise!" We can still undermine the Republic with drugs and distrust without some alliance, by making alliances with other factions and then doing it with the use of spies. You don't have to betray our ideals to do this.
 

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What Storm said. Either way, trying to bring peace to the Republic will just end in failure for us. Trying to side with the Rogue Jedi or others worthwhile is a better idea, and we can still try to manage to possibly get the Light Jedi and Republic to go at eachother.

Not to mention we are already not doing so good with the battles, from what I've heard. We really need to think hard on the next course of action, as we do not have alot of room for screw ups.
 
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