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I wanted to bring a few things to your attention:

First and foremost, it seems like your post came in a little late and you timed out by about 2 hours, canonizing the sequence of events in my previous post:
  • Perun kicks Karys through the chin with his left back foot, freeing his right foot from his grip.
  • Perun administers a right uppercut targeting the side of Karys' head.
Both of these actions should be considered autohits with Karys taking full damage from them, having provided no defence.

This brings me to my second point, damage mitigation.

It's the second post where you've mentioned a helmet. I browse through Karys' profile and the armor linked there doesn't seem to comprise any sort of helmet. In your first post, you wrote that Karys "wore the same armor he had during the conquest of Murzana". I skimmed through the Foundations Of A Regime thread and, there again, the only armor I can find for Karys seems to be cosmetic in nature (i.e.: only a link to an image without an actual tech submission equivalent), so I fear it has to be treated as such.

Under those circumstances, the sequence of events and resulting damage would probably unfold as follows:

Perun's partial spin and the subsequent kick, targeting Karys' chin, would be the first to connect. This powerful blow would likely cause significant trauma to Karys' jaw, likely breaking it, and could potentially lead to a concussion due to the sheer force driving upwards against the lower part of his skull. The impact to the chin might also jar Karys' head back with considerable force, exacerbating the likelihood of a concussion.

Immediately following the kick, Perun's right uppercut would land on Karys' head. Given that Karys is already reeling from the kick, this punch would further destabilize him. The right uppercut, particularly potent given the momentum from Perun's spin, would likely target the side of Karys' head or left temple. This could result in additional cranial trauma, concussion, and could further contribute to a basilar skull fracture (bleeding, hearing loss, ophthalmoplegia, etc.).

The combined force of these two strikes, especially without any defensive response from Karys or protective equipment, should result in severe disorientation, potential loss of consciousness, troubles breathing secondary to the broken jaw, and even temporary memory loss. Additionally, the force might cause Karys to stagger or fall, potentially suffering further injury from the impact with the ground.

Considering the severity and location of the strikes, there is a high probability that Karys would be rendered incapable of continuing the fight effectively, if not completely knocked out.

That being said, I am open to discussion and compromises, but Karys should be taking severe damages.
 

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@Aberforth I am open to discuss damage taken. I did time out while posting elsewhere and I agree that Karys should be taking severe damage from this. A concussion and skull fracture along with falling back is perfectly fine with me. What’re your goals in conclusion for this thread?
 

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@Apollyon In the end, I just want to make a good story.

I didn't know there was a Sith presence of Rattatak to begin with (neither the map, nor the newsletter was updated) otherwise I never would have made the thread as restrictive for the opposing side as I did (and I just wanted to dip my toes back into PvP, not go in full swing with an invasion).

What I think could be cool is using this as a sort of premise of a larger battle on Rattatak between the Sith and the Jedi once both events (Killiks and Vengeance) have died down a bit. I think it is the first time in years that we have enough people on both sides for a larger confrontation.

So, I am good with this being considered a victory for Perun and leaving Rattatak's fate to be decided some other time with both Perun and Karys parting ways as rivals (especially since you mentioned an American holiday on Monday). I think too often we tend to go for one-and-done threads and forgo building longer-lasting rivalries à la Kenobi-Maul.

Of course, if you want to go through a whole capture arc, with Karys going through some sort of Jedi trial and/or having to gather friends for a rescue thread, I'm down with that too.

I'll just go with whatever story you want to pursue.
 

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I think Karys retreating and there being a battle is far more interesting especially once these events end. This feels like a great opportunity for an organic battle and rivalry! I am sorry I timed out and we missed having a better story! So Perun wins influence on the world for the Jedi, Karys retreats, and then we have the potential for a larger battle once events settle down?
 

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I think Karys retreating and there being a battle is far more interesting especially once these events end. This feels like a great opportunity for an organic battle and rivalry! I am sorry I timed out and we missed having a better story! So Perun wins influence on the world for the Jedi, Karys retreats, and then we have the potential for a larger battle once events settle down?

That seems more than fair! Let's do that then! I look forward to writing with you again, man. :)
 

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That seems more than fair! Let's do that then! I look forward to writing with you again, man. :)
Unless you want to keep fighting? A pair of hits usually doesn’t take someone out completely. I can take damage and we can keep rolling if you’d like. It’s whatever you’d like to do.
 

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Unless you want to keep fighting? A pair of hits usually doesn’t take someone out completely. I can take damage and we can keep rolling if you’d like. It’s whatever you’d like to do.

I don't know. I feel like blows to the head are always tough to mitigate damage for, especially in quick succession. I'd agree if it was a chest or an arm, it's not that limiting. At the very least, I think a fractured jaw, a cracked skull, and a concussion would have to be written in with everything it implies in turn neurosensory and respiratory limitations. If you think Karys can keep going though that, then sure, Perun will keep fighting.

I'll leave you up until the morning EST to edit your post with whatever you decide (withdraw or keep going). Then, I'll post.
 

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I don't know. I feel like blows to the head are always tough to mitigate damage for, especially in quick succession. I'd agree if it was a chest or an arm, it's not that limiting. At the very least, I think a fractured jaw, a cracked skull, and a concussion would have to be written in with everything it implies in turn neurosensory and respiratory limitations. If you think Karys can keep going though that, then sure, Perun will keep fighting.

I'll leave you up until the morning EST to edit your post with whatever you decide (withdraw or keep going). Then, I'll post.
We can just run with the retreat. I fell asleep last night in the middle of working on posts. So it’s cool
 
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