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Caine

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Well in the 15 odd years I've been doing Rp's I've always limited my characters to being loners or like in Caine's case. Characters that are exceptionally loyal and believe in family but have no specific emotional bonds.

Dante on here fits that mold and I like him that way but I want to try something different for him when I remake him. The Zeltron species are telepathic and have no belief in monogamy so I want to have him take 3 of them as wives, I'm not entirely sure how yet though it was common for them to take off following a person who interested them so I'm leaning towards a group followed a man off but he ditched them and these 3 couldn't decide what to do.

Dante picks them up offering to take them home or wherever they want to go but makes a mistake, I still plan for him to be a Matukai but I'll change his abilities so that primarily he's a strong telepath, my idea is around them the mental barriers Teras kasi enabled him to build are let down as he's trying to understand them.
In this universe extended mental connections carry a risk of the people involved losing the ability to separate there minds from each other so I plan for this to happen with Dante. He spends too long probably over a period of several weeks or months. They spend too much time in each others minds and lose track of themselves as individuals essentially forming a permanent bond between them all.

So rather then my typical loner character Dante would never feel alone because he would always be able to feel them inside of himself, so he'd train them in the same skills that he has. Matukai training can cause force potential to increase to the point where they develop the ability to become force sensitive. Being bonded together already on a mental and emotional level the training would develop enough force potential in them for that bond to extend to the force as well so with Dante's training they'd become Matukai as well and he'd form one of the normal wandering bands of 4-5 Matukai around himself.


I know the concept itself is sound and that it fits the Zeltron because they crave pleasure and intimacy so them joining minds with him would just increase that and they wouldn't even consider it's side effects, mainly I just want to know if it would be ok for me to create those 3 women as NPC's with him who'd essentially become his bonded wives. I haven't looked much into the rules regarding NPC creation no this forum.

(( Thats the character concept I sent to Padme and was told was approved. As you can see it clearly states a permanent bond that cost there individuality and that it was emotional and mental. The force bond was the very last stage years after the initial bonding. @GABA.

I thought that was the same as a hive mind as being much less of a mouthful then " a permanent emotional and mental bond that cost there individuality " I used that name for it. ))
 

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Going back to the original topic asked, you asked for approval for 3 NPCs to do this with and we agreed to it. Anything else will need admin approval, otherwise, break the original agreement and/or not get admin approval to expand on this, the admin team can go back and tell you, you cannot do this at all with your NPCs. And again, as stated above, the NPCs cannot be used in a PvP setting.

Now, the next part is you asked for member opinion and you're getting member opinion. Bee and Loco have made it quite clear that that this is creepy and sexist. And I, as a member also, believe this is super sexist as well. So clearly, on my own moral compass, this isn't acceptable. However, from and Admin level, it was approved, and I'm fine with what was approved (as explained above) and therefore, I am not 100% sure why you're looking for member acceptance. Given that's its been approved by admins and now you're looking for discussion among members seems kind of backwards, usually members discuss the idea first and then go and seek admin approval.

Regardless, the Admin team (including I) Ok'd the 3 NPCs.
 

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I wanted to know what other people would think of it. I asked admins first to avoid wasting people's time if the character would not be allowed at all.

But that is correct? A permanent emotional and mental bond that cost them there individuality and was later bound through the force. Not solely a force bond.

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Because we are talking Force-related stuff, I would say stick with Force bonds.

Though my next question is since the matukai are focused on physical strength, how does that apply to all the mental stuff being done? To be honest, I don't see how Matukai training will help improve their own connection to the Force.
 

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Matukai philosophy was centered around creating a balance and harmony between the spiritual Force and the physical body, using exercise as a form of meditation. Their training involved meditative martial arts, physical training, and somatic rituals, and they were noted for being able to develop a Force-sensitivity in many beings who were not inherently gifted with the Force.
http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Matukai

The mental side of thing is from telepathy. Zeltron are a telepathic race and those who can wield the force can use telepathy as well. They used telepathy and never closed the link, eventually they lost the ability to at all then they lost themselves as individuals from spending month as constantly connected to each other's minds, I got the idea from the Jedi battle meld invented during the Vong war. It was a side effect described from being within each other's minds for to long so they took precautions against it. It would happen in days. Telepathy being far weaker I scaled it up to months.
 

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So...why zeltrons? There are a lot of telepathic beings out there as well as wield the Force.
 

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It's for the new timeline I'm not certain how many of them races are Canon but I confirmed Zeltrons are.
Plus Dante is very discipline oriented, focussed on duty and rigid while Zeltron are the opposite, so it made for an interesting dynamic in the bond, Dante making them a bit less carefree and them making him less rigid.
 

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If you changed some to men in there, mixed up the races some and he was sleeping with maybe one of them it may come across as less creepy. This whole thing just reads as wish-fulfilment fantasy in its current state that you're trying to justify. He just happens to pick up a race with a culture of promiscuity, who happen to all be women, who happen to be attracted to him.

From what I've read of this thread, you're looking less for 'opinions' and more for people to rally around and confirm for you that it's a good idea, then challenge those who - like just about everybody has - think it's weird at best, creepy at worst.

I'm leaning towards a group followed a man off but he ditched them and these 3 couldn't decide what to do.

Dante picks them up offering to take them home or wherever they want to go but makes a mistake
 
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The Zeltron species are telepathic and have no belief in monogamy so I want to have him take 3 of them as wives, I'm not entirely sure how yet though it was common for them to take off following a person who interested them so I'm leaning towards a group followed a man off but he ditched them and these 3 couldn't decide what to do.

Dante picks them up offering to take them home or wherever they want to go but makes a mistake, I still plan for him to be a Matukai but I'll change his abilities so that primarily he's a strong telepath, my idea is around them the mental barriers Teras kasi enabled him to build are let down as he's trying to understand them.

In this universe extended mental connections carry a risk of the people involved losing the ability to separate there minds from each other so I plan for this to happen with Dante. He spends too long probably over a period of several weeks or months. They spend too much time in each others minds and lose track of themselves as individuals essentially forming a permanent bond between them all.

So....he's a creepy, really sexist, cult leader taking advantage of abused women because well their species doesn't believe in monogamy and that makes it okay?
 

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Now, correct if I'm wrong, but the idea is that the three NPC women lost their individuality due to the bonding, but not the PC?

What you're trying to go for sounds interesting and unique, but the "harem of mindless slaves" theme it has going on right now is, as everyone else has said, quite creepy. I think if it weren't just the guy and three women, and if it was a hive mind in the sense that all four of the members, PC included, lost their individuality and formed a hive mind that way it would be more acceptable. Also, the "sex for reproduction to keep the hive strong" idea is silly for the following reasons:

1: They need to wait for the pregnancy
2: They need to wait for the child to grow up
3: They need to train the child
4: Couldn't they just grow the hive's strength via forcibly - or willingly, in unique situations - bonding applicable adults after defeating them? It's literally decades quicker

Anyway, I think if you did away with the mindless harem and fantasy fulfilment vibes the idea has going on right now then the idea would have a lot of promise, it's just... creepy in all the wrong ways right now. There is a good kind of creepy, in my opinion, but the sexual kind isn't it.
 

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Sigh. He is not sexist or a cult leader. He lost his own will and personality as well not just them.
And where did you get abused and taken advantage of from? I never once mentioned abuse and the bonding thing was a complete accident he never intended for anything to happen, it effected him the same as them. He didn't end up in control of them or owning them or any other such thing. He didn't even exist any more as a person any more then they did.

But I'm changing the character now anyway since opinion on it is so negative and because I've clearly still failed to explain it properly which is totally my fault.
 
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It's not about how you explain it. At it's current state it just sounds terribly like one of those weirdo harem anime crap with an obviously bad plot from every possible perspective. (Not that I've seen any btw. :I )

Sorry dude. Just trying to help, please don't hate on me.
 

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I'm not hating lol. Sorry, there's a reason I don't play polite or diplomatic characters I'm far to abrupt to be able to pull it off.

But as evidenced by Sapphires first line above thinking Dante remains himself while the women lose there wills. I'm failing to explain it clearly in any case.

No matter I'll bench this one until the group I normally play with regroups in a couple months, it'll fit our setting well enough and nobody will mind it, and make a less creepy version for here.
 
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