Go Big, Go Long or Go Home

[Enishi]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Dace Hu @ Nov 20 2006, 05:10 PM) [snapback]131543[/snapback]</div>

America has acted with supreme arrogence during this war and it has bite them on the ass.
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It's the Republicans who acted with arrogance. Mainly Bush, and alot of us tried to prevent his reelection. America is basicly a nation divided on the war.

 

[Brandon Rhea]

It's not just the Republicans. The Republicans believe that their way for solving the Iraq crisis is the best and refuse to compromise. On the flip side, the Democrats believe that their way for solving the Iraq crisis is the best and refuse to compromise. They both are striving for freedom. However, as urban dictionary said:

"Freedom is a log with a giant cross-cut saw laying across it. At one end of the saw are the Democrats and at the other end are the Republicans. The Democrats pull it one way and the Republicans pull it the other way. They keep this up until they've sawed the log in half. Then they go back to their Satanic occult black lodges and gay anal eachother cause they are faggots."

God, I love that line. I just HAD to say it. Anyway, as that quote suggests, politics needs to change or nothing will be accomplished in Iraq or anywhere for that matter.

 

[Lillianne Crasse]

Separating Iraq would be ideal, yes, but with them having their own diplomatic set up now, thanks to us, it's more difficult to do. Plus, you know the Sunnis and Shiites will not leave each other alone. They hate one another. More so the two groups hate the Kurds collectively. Basically, the Kurds have already alienated themselves from the rest of the country and are living as if they were their own separate nation. Yet, while we're trying to get the Iraqis to think for themselves and vote upon what they want, THEY have to be the ones to want to split. It isn't happening.

There's no other choice in my mind but to slowly remove troops. We knew when we went in and took Saddam down, which was agreed upon by all sides of our government at the time, that we would have to stay and help them establish a new government. Yet, what we forget out of arrogance or dilusions or something, I don't know what, is that these people are from a completely different style of culture. They don't think like we do nor do they have the same ideals. It's an explosive area all boiled down to religious beliefs. Nothing we do, no amount of troops we send in will change that.

Think about this, people. Saddam is a Sunni muslim, not the dominant sect of Muslim faith in that area. Out of fear, the Shiites, who were the majority, could not do as they wished because of Saddam. Now that Saddam is gone, they are in a position to finally get their majority "say". The Sunni don't want this. The Shiite will fight for it. The Kurds just want to be left alone. Even if the country is divided the tensions will not be alieviated. How would you like someone to come to your door and ask you what your faith is? Depending on your answer, would depend on where you would be moved. If you stay, you risk facing constant violent acts upon your family and loved ones all because of a deep rooted hatred.

 

[Kalin Morne]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Jade @ Nov 20 2006, 11:56 PM) [snapback]131653[/snapback]</div>

Separating Iraq would be ideal, yes, but with them having their own diplomatic set up now, thanks to us, it's more difficult to do. Plus, you know the Sunnis and Shiites will not leave each other alone. They hate one another. More so the two groups hate the Kurds collectively. Basically, the Kurds have already alienated themselves from the rest of the country and are living as if they were their own separate nation. Yet, while we're trying to get the Iraqis to think for themselves and vote upon what they want, THEY have to be the ones to want to split. It isn't happening.

There's no other choice in my mind but to slowly remove troops. We knew when we went in and took Saddam down, which was agreed upon by all sides of our government at the time, that we would have to stay and help them establish a new government. Yet, what we forget out of arrogance or dilusions or something, I don't know what, is that these people are from a completely different style of culture. They don't think like we do nor do they have the same ideals. It's an explosive area all boiled down to religious beliefs. Nothing we do, no amount of troops we send in will change that.

Think about this, people. Saddam is a Sunni muslim, not the dominant sect of Muslim faith in that area. Out of fear, the Shiites, who were the majority, could not do as they wished because of Saddam. Now that Saddam is gone, they are in a position to finally get their majority "say". The Sunni don't want this. The Shiite will fight for it. The Kurds just want to be left alone. Even if the country is divided the tensions will not be alieviated. How would you like someone to come to your door and ask you what your faith is? Depending on your answer, would depend on where you would be moved. If you stay, you risk facing constant violent acts upon your family and loved ones all because of a deep rooted hatred.
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My stance is that if we truly wanted democracy in the Middle East we should have supported Lebanon in the past few years, and supported Iran in the 1930s.

 

[Lillianne Crasse]

That's not the topic for debate here though, Kalin...lol

 

[Kalin Morne]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Jade @ Nov 21 2006, 12:06 AM) [snapback]131656[/snapback]</div>

That's not the topic for debate here though, Kalin...lol
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I know, I'm just really really cynical about this whole situation.

 

[Matt]

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/6172660.stm

They need to come up with something vastly different thats for sure.