Forging Bonds OOC

[Mr. Teatime]

So he's actively continuing to maintain his bubble thing after being resisted, spin-jumping over and around flames unharmed, attacking with a halberd one handed, and how is he making the flames explode? I keep asking about the exploding flames.

 

[Aurius]

So he's actively continuing to maintain his bubble thing after being resisted, spin-jumping over and around flames unharmed, attacking with a halberd one handed, and how is he making the flames explode? I keep asking about the exploding flames.

Again, I’m pending deletion of this post.

Yes, he’s jumping over two simultaneous linear attacks. And maybe it’s better to use “burning away all combustible material in the area of effect”.

The attack was launched when Gale was in close proximity to an ally. That firebolt would careen into them both.

Though it will never happen if the Storyteller is interrupted - The bubble uses one hand, only takes as long as it does to launch a fire bolt at your opponent after dispelling a choke nonchalantly.

A halberd is used with two hands. A corkscrew is a rotating hop. Bringing down a staff after hopping isn’t hard. Basically rope skipping with fire.

 

[Catbert]

@Aurius, @Mr. Teatime (@Topher too, I guess)

Sorry for being slow, your discussion took place while I was asleep.

As for the DM posts, it's up to you whether to wait for them or not. I never planned for them to actively interfere with your PVP (by that I mean any NPCs attacking your characters or trying to capture them). Besides, the actions taken by Jago/Dasi/the pirate captain would take much longer than what you're pulling off. But the DM posts will continue, and will deal with the general state of the facility and what's going on. You just don't have to wait on them, if you so prefer.

I will be making a DM post this Saturday or Sunday. The pirates and the escapees will have their own concerns (spoilers: there will be a station-wide alarm and some changes of circumstances), so the Sith will have to work fast and adjust if they want to gain their prize. As a DM, a part of me wants you guys to succeed, but I'll try not to make it a cakewalk ;)

 

[Mr. Teatime]

Again, I’m pending deletion of this post.

Yes, he’s jumping over two simultaneous linear attacks. And maybe it’s better to use “burning away all combustible material in the area of effect”.

The attack was launched when Gale was in close proximity to an ally. That firebolt would careen into them both.

Though it will never happen if the Storyteller is interrupted - The bubble uses one hand, only takes as long as it does to launch a fire bolt at your opponent after dispelling a choke nonchalantly.

A halberd is used with two hands. A corkscrew is a rotating hop. Bringing down a staff after hopping isn’t hard. Basically rope skipping with fire.

So he's increasing the heat of fire where he used to be standing and it's supposed to hit everyone?

Which ally was Gale in close proximity to? Ceryx and Wolfgang have been next eachother the entire time.

It wasn't a choke, it was a more complicated "thinning" of the air. And now a bubble of concentrated oxygenated air? Way too detailed control on that second one, especially for a Marauder, doubly so in a tiny amount of time. Plus using the Force to jump, plus using it to dump power into fire that's nowhere near anybody.

I'm aware a halberd is used with two hands. The post says he's maintaining a bubble with one hand, then swings a halberd. The normal conclusion is he's swinging a halberd with one hand. You need to specify usage of hands in PvP.

I'm going to ask the oxygen bubble not be a thing and, since the post doesn't need to be deleted, edit to clarify how limbs are being used.

@Aurius @Catbert @Topher

 

[Aurius]

So he's increasing the heat of fire where he used to be standing and it's supposed to hit everyone?

Which ally was Gale in close proximity to? Ceryx and Wolfgang have been next eachother the entire time.

It wasn't a choke, it was a more complicated "thinning" of the air. And now a bubble of concentrated oxygenated air? Way too detailed control on that second one, especially for a Marauder, doubly so in a tiny amount of time. Plus using the Force to jump, plus using it to dump power into fire that's nowhere near anybody.

I'm aware a halberd is used with two hands. The post says he's maintaining a bubble with one hand, then swings a halberd. The normal conclusion is he's swinging a halberd with one hand. You need to specify usage of hands in PvP.

I'm going to ask the oxygen bubble not be a thing and, since the post doesn't need to be deleted, edit to clarify how limbs are being used.

@Aurius @Catbert @Topher

Gale places himself closer to the girl. I’m fairly certain that’s implied with walking up to converse with them. I apologize if my lack of positional descriptors is causing issues.

and a gout of flames Of that magnitude isn’t more complicated for a marauder? Y’all only ranked up, if at all, outside of this thread. Your ranks should be maintained as their originals when you initially joined the thread, for fairness sake.

secondly - Gale May have a low rank, but the RP he had partaken in have allowed ample opportunity to practice such a maneuver. It isn’t complicated. He already had a bubble around you. Tricking you by thinning the air before oversaturating it with oxygen or drowning out the carbon dioxide, as with the original attack’s intent would have the same effect. It’s not anywhere close the oxygen trick pulled on Eivor, or the rapid minute changes to force abilities we underwent before.

As for the fire? Yes. Three flame attacks have now gone off at in a concentrated area overlapping one another. What effects should that have if not combustion?

the positional and directional stuff will be clarified. I can even remove the superheating if you wish, as I said before.

Edit: I will not be removing the bubble. As I described, it had the force of an exploding balloon. That would result in approximately .5 to 1 second worth of a startling pop and MAYBE a flash of heat. It’s not debilitating, and it’s barely an attack.

I would think a marauder has the ability to do something as simple as that. Lastly, rank isn’t everything and there are many story examples of ranks being meaningless when it comes to the individual skills of those involved. If it’s necessary I’ll do the corkscrew as a kick flip with a bo-staff on video for you. If I - average joe with some practice - can do it, so can a fictional space wizard. No magic required.

 

[Mr. Teatime]

@Aurius Walking up to them was neither stated nor implied. If he had approached after Wolfgang's warning he would've been shot at, but none of his posts says he's approaching closer to them at all. Not even subtext.

A brief stream of flame is just as feasible as a brief burst of lightning and both are common attacks used by Knight-level Sith. If you have an issue with something in a post, it's up to you to bring it up before you reply.

Whether he's practiced it or not (and who knows if he has, I'm not combing through Gale's other threads), it's not a matter of power but of sheer molecular precision that just doesn't fly. The original attack's intent was not to drown out carbon dioxide, the original attack's intent is as written. Which is: "and began constricting not his throat but the air around his head. Making it thin, difficult for even the most experienced lungs could not help but cough and groan in pain."

The bubble was not already around Wolfgang as he resisted its formation in the first place, unless you're ignoring the defense entirely. At best Gale has to try and start over while doing everything else he's doing in that brief amount of time. Also, it's not a "trick" if one tries to change the intent and nature of an attack (that failed) from post to post.

 

[Aurius]

@Aurius Walking up to them was neither stated nor implied. If he had approached after Wolfgang's warning he would've been shot at, but none of his posts says he's approaching closer to them at all. Not even subtext.

A brief stream of flame is just as feasible as a brief burst of lightning and both are common attacks used by Knight-level Sith. If you have an issue with something in a post, it's up to you to bring it up before you reply.

Whether he's practiced it or not (and who knows if he has, I'm not combing through Gale's other threads), it's not a matter of power but of sheer molecular precision that just doesn't fly. The original attack's intent was not to drown out carbon dioxide, the original attack's intent is as written. Which is: "and began constricting not his throat but the air around his head. Making it thin, difficult for even the most experienced lungs could not help but cough and groan in pain."

The bubble was not already around Wolfgang as he resisted its formation in the first place, unless you're ignoring the defense entirely. At best Gale has to try and start over while doing everything else he's doing in that brief amount of time. Also, it's not a "trick" if one tries to change the intent and nature of an attack (that failed) from post to post.

That implies the attack failed. So then, let me countermand your requirement.

I’ll edit according to these guidelines. However, your char will either be able to throw off the bubble, or launch the flames.

You now have both been interrupted.

The concentration began before you posted, and I won’t have it broken so easily. If it cannot change in nature of attack, then it will be maintained. Then I suppose I can choose whether I’d like to hop and drop the choke, or take Topher’s hit myself.

 

[Mr. Teatime]

If Gale is trying to maintain it then it would interrupt the flame thing potentially, yes, and require Wolf to instead continue blocking it. Interrupts rules and all. Thank you for editing.

 

[Aurius]

If Gale is trying to maintain it then it would interrupt the flame thing potentially, yes, and require Wolf to instead continue blocking it. Interrupts rules and all. Thank you for editing.

I’m sorry if I seem aggravated. I’m lacking severely in nicotine consumption. Plus I’ve had some horrid one hit PvPs before.

I hope I wasn’t too rude and don’t mean to be at all unkind :)

edit; I would like to clarify Gale is no longer corkscrewing. The second statement claiming that he is over and to the side is now just to the side. I cannot edit it without permission however.

 

[Aurius]

@Mr. Teatime please see above. He’s sidestepping due to the edit :) sorry I thought you’d see. Unless you want to interpret it that way.

sidestep brought the halberd spinning down modified from the original corkscrew. While possible, and tenable, ultimately unnecessary flair.

 

[Mr. Teatime]

@Aurius Ah apologies, the over and away part I thought was still a hop. Will edit.

 

[Topher]

@Aurius, Just a clarificaiton on your latest post, and to confirm whether I have interpreted your post correctly.

Gales actions regarding the Halberd. The hooked end / side connected with the ground. Then with the spiked end, Assuming you mean the other end of the shaft is being moved diagonally to intercept and block Wolfgang's attack. And as a consequence the hooked end is now being dragged / swept towards Ceryx's feet? Prior to you going for a blade lock to punch Wolfgang in the throat..

Apologies I am not versed or have much of an understanding in HEMA terminology. Would the description above be the correct interpretation? if not the case, if you can provide a layman's explanation it would be appreciated.

Many thanks

 

[Aurius]

@Aurius, Just a clarificaiton on your latest post, and to confirm whether I have interpreted your post correctly.

Gales actions regarding the Halberd. The hooked end / side connected with the ground. Then with the spiked end, Assuming you mean the other end of the shaft is being moved diagonally to intercept and block Wolfgang's attack. And as a consequence the hooked end is now being dragged / swept towards Ceryx's feet? Prior to you going for a blade lock to punch Wolfgang in the throat..

Apologies I am not versed or have much of an understanding in HEMA terminology. Would the description above be the correct interpretation? if not the case, if you can provide a layman's explanation it would be appreciated.

Many thanks

No apologies needed! It’s ridiculously difficult to write this one out simply and theatrically.

Essentially, the hooked end of the halberd was trying to stab your hand. Now, it’s on the ground. By moving it inward to block the saber swing (essentially not allowing it to pass underneath as a pylon is in the way) the halberd can sweep at your feet. The motion happens at the same time, because the weapon has two ends moving simultaneously.

The punch happens after the block-hook.

Please allow me to clarify if this halberd IS in fact an electro weapon? I don’t know what I declared it as/ whether electro is considered advanced tech.

 

[Topher]

Righteo so had interpreted it relatively correctly!

Not sure to be honest what the ins and outs are for the restricted tech status of electro weapons, can't really say had looked into that weapon type in too great a detail. That aside had figured it would be of some vibro / electro type weapon as opposed to a stock metal weapon, whether it was declared or not, probably more just a matter for consistency and continuity of how its referred to..

Will be working on posting my response shortly, presumably both sides are happy with the current state of affairs?

@Mr. Teatime any thoughts?

 

[Aurius]

Righteo so had interpreted it relatively correctly!

Not sure to be honest what the ins and outs are for the restricted tech status of electro weapons, can't really say had looked into that weapon type in too great a detail. That aside had figured it would be of some vibro / electro type weapon as opposed to a stock metal weapon, whether it was declared or not, probably more just a matter for consistency and continuity of how its referred to..

Will be working on posting my response shortly, presumably both sides are happy with the current state of affairs?

@Mr. Teatime any thoughts?

You got the gist instantly. Only wanted to clarify that the block and sweep happens at the same time that Ceryx I’s swing hits the shaft. Assumably interrupting the tendrils and slash.
For clarification; it is a Electrohalberd and is not advanced tech. From here going forward unless otherwise stated the setting is on STUN, not KILL.

 

[Aurius]

@Topher see above.

Edit: didn’t realize we were working in the seconds while he was stepping forward. I was under the impression that we were in close quarters.
Keep in mind that the sweep is happening regardless of whether or not Gale blocks. The original intent of the stab was never to hit your hand. It was to get to your feet, and if the hand was hit in the process great. The block would be moving even as Ceryx I is moving forward in anticipation of a strike.

i’m not sure Ceryx II could change the flames to tendrils in time to avoid the slash to the heel.

Further edit; this can be rectified if Ceryx II just hops over the halberd blade. I’m okay with being tenderiled. Just giving you an opportunity to form another counterattack or some form of dodge. May help to get physical in this instance.

 

[Mr. Teatime]

@Aurius The sidestep avoided the first strike, which is also when Ceryx used the Force to bind Gale.

The original intent of the initial stab was to as written, to hit her hand, and was then written as hitting the ground when Ceryx sidestepped. Again, you can't change your attacks from true attacks to feints or hidden stuff after the fact.

Since you didn't address Ceryx's attack it is an autohit, as per the PvP rules. It looks to me as if anything after the halberd hit the ground, if not before that, have been functionally prevented from happening.

Also, it's Ceryx and Wolfgang, or Alyse and Cyrus since this is an OOC thread. Not Ceryx I and Ceryx II.

 

[Aurius]

@Aurius The sidestep avoided the first strike, which is also when Ceryx used the Force to bind Gale.

The original intent of the initial stab was to as written, to hit her hand, and was then written as hitting the ground when Ceryx sidestepped. Again, you can't change your attacks from true attacks to feints or hidden stuff after the fact.

Since you didn't address Ceryx's attack it is an autohit, as per the PvP rules. It looks to me as if anything after the halberd hit the ground, if not before that, have been functionally prevented from happening.

Also, it's Ceryx and Wolfgang, or Alyse and Cyrus since this is an OOC thread. Not Ceryx I and Ceryx II.

I simply haven’t memorized the names. I mean no offense. And, to clarify - The weapon striking the ground and the sweep a second apart. When the flames were STILL flames as I’m not changing the attack at all. Whatsoever.

I’m just finishing the attack. I didnt lie nor am I changing events, so it is completely within the rules.

Just as in real life, an enemy isn’t always going to give away the next follow up. Somebody who is skilled will not reveal what their next move is with their motions. It’s no different than countering or riposting in that way - it is a follow up.

changing an attack would be going from a hand stab to a chest stab in the time it took for you to step forward. Or a swing to the skull.

as for the auto hit rules I clarified before Topher’s post was made in OOC. I also was waiting to ensure that the attack on my end was valid at all - and an hour after I clarify the post you claim that because it wasn’t in the writing I put in Gale’s eyes, it’s invalid? Unless you want to get semantical about what clarifiying in a PvP means, I’d assume I meet that criteria.

Edit; I was also waiting for You. To answer here. As I thought Topher was.

So I guess the question is - can Alyse change flames into tendrils in the matter of a single second? Thinking about it, I now doubt a hop would be quite quick enough either.

 

[Mr. Teatime]

@Aurius Quote from the PvP rules: "Posting a reply validates previous posts of your opponent. Past posts are not up for disputes." and "Be sure to respond to all attacks against your character, even if they would miss. Attacks not addressed against your character could result in an auto-hit. This means explicitly mentioning the attack in your post." and "Auto-hits from not addressing previous attacks toward one’s character does not need to be reported, continue posting with a small OOC note about the auto-hit."

Alyse's attack wasn't addressed, so it hit. Full stop. Gale has been bound, as if to a cross, entangled in the tendrils of the Dark Side and prevented from moving before his sweep, limbs locked out to his sides and it looks like with dislocated joints. Having just noticed your edit to the earlier OOC post: If you had an issue with her attack you should have brought it up before you replied.

 

[Aurius]

@Aurius Quote from the PvP rules: "Posting a reply validates previous posts of your opponent. Past posts are not up for disputes." and "Be sure to respond to all attacks against your character, even if they would miss. Attacks not addressed against your character could result in an auto-hit. This means explicitly mentioning the attack in your post." and "Auto-hits from not addressing previous attacks toward one’s character does not need to be reported, continue posting with a small OOC note about the auto-hit."

Alyse's attack wasn't addressed, so it hit. Full stop. Gale has been bound, as if to a cross, entangled in the tendrils of the Dark Side and prevented from moving before his sweep, limbs locked out to his sides and it looks like with dislocated joints. Having just noticed your edit to the earlier OOC post: If you had an issue with her attack you should have brought it up before you replied.

You’re missing my point. I did clarify it. I was waiting for YOU to let me know if you had any issues, and I needed to make sure the weapon worked as intended. I asked for time to do that and make sure the attack was actually possible - just as you asked for time to post before.

in this case, Topher replied. You made no indication whatsoever that you’d even seen the post let alone where okay with it. There was still the possibility that it needed to be edited. As your post still needs to be.

I must refute that a PvP clarification is REQUIRED to be in the IC thread. “In the Post” as written doesn’t clarify if it’s OOC or IC. I could just have easily copied the OOC note here and put it in the spoiler tags. I don’t want to nitpick, and I don’t mind being tendrils, but the way this has happened means I’m going to have to argue it.

AS CLARIFIED. The hook is an interrupt of the tendrils. If that was unclear in the writing of that IC post I apologize (Edit; You could have asked to clarify to quash this vagueness, as I recommended hoping over the attack - which would accomplish the same thing), but there is also a rule against exploiting vagueness. It was clarified in the OOC above that it was an interrupt of your attack and the tendrils. I don’t think I’m doing so in this case having stated such an hour before the post was sent.