Dawn of the Republic: the Galactic Senate

[Fen Vel]

"When you play the Galatic Senate you either win or you die."

You play to be elected Chancellor, voted by other senators or you use other methods...

 

[MasterTyvokka]

So I have been rethinking my senator. I originally wanted to do a Senator from a backworld planet with a small population. I was also going to make him a soldier as well. But I think since I have a separate BA character I am going to change things up. So at this time I am going to make a Bimm and go with Bimmisaari instead of Velmor. I would love to RP a Mon Cal but alas the planet isn't in the BA or Republic.

 

[Latte]

Would be cool if at some point a senator loses reelection against another player in a pvp debate or whatever. Then thenlosjng Senator joins the BA or works to gain his spot back next round somehow.

yeah lets not, i cant keep up with anyone in PVP and i dont want to suddenly not be a senator anymore just because somebody decided to throw PVP into friggin' fake space politics of all places. my character couldnt join the BA or get his spot back. i think im paying my PVP dues enough as it is with one of my more combat-oriented characters, id prefer to keep my senator out of that BS.

 

[Beta12]

yeah lets not, i cant keep up with anyone in PVP and i dont want to suddenly not be a senator anymore just because somebody decided to throw PVP into friggin' fake space politics of all places. my character couldnt join the BA or get his spot back. i think im paying my PVP dues enough as it is with one of my more combat-oriented characters, id prefer to keep my senator out of that BS.

I'm not sure what you mean by pvp, since @Bauren said something more along the lines of "pvp debate". What he is saying is "player vs player" debate, so in other words, just a normal debate. Senators are going to debate already, what it sounded like he wanted was the possibility for someone to have their character challenge the senatorial position of another character for a specific planet through rp-debate-election if they want to represent that planet. You know, more like verbal debate, game of thrones politics, house of cards politics, and all of that stuff.

 

[Latte]

I'm not sure what you mean by pvp, since @Bauren said something more along the lines of "pvp debate". What he is saying is "player vs player" debate, so in other words, just a normal debate. Senators are going to debate already, what it sounded like he wanted was the possibility for someone to have their character challenge the senatorial position of another character for a specific planet through rp-debate-election if they want to represent that planet. You know, more like verbal debate, game of thrones politics, house of cards politics, and all of that stuff.

yeah i read his post and knew what he meant. i dont want PVP like that. debating is all fine and good because its part of the job, but i dont want my characters senatorial position just challenged by somebody because then id for sure lose and i dont think thats exactly fair to lose my characters entire job/position/plotline basically since hes not combat-oriented and couldnt do anything if he suddenly wasnt a senator anymore.

id be totally fine with debating against other senators, but not against somebody who wants my job, you feel? id much rather deal with other risks in this line of work like debates against other senators and maybe assassination attempts.

 

[Darby Shelton]

Now that I am fully invested in the Senate, I now have to catch up on all of the previous conversation. Oh dear.

 

[Darby Shelton]

And to throw my two cents in, I think PvP debates would be fun. It wouldn't dominate the regular Senate goings-on, but if Senators make bad choices and put their planet or alliance in jeopardy, I think there should definitely be a way for a different character to challenge them for their role. If you lose, you could be demoted to ambassador. Just an example, but it would keep your character from magically becoming null and void. You'd still be part of the proceedings, but with less authority. Which would be an actual consequence in the Senate.

 

[Beta12]

yeah i read his post and knew what he meant. i dont want PVP like that. debating is all fine and good because its part of the job, but i dont want my characters senatorial position just challenged by somebody because then id for sure lose and i dont think thats exactly fair to lose my characters entire job/position/plotline basically since hes not combat-oriented and couldnt do anything if he suddenly wasnt a senator anymore.

id be totally fine with debating against other senators, but not against somebody who wants my job, you feel? id much rather deal with other risks in this line of work like debates against other senators and maybe assassination attempts.

Well I mean, a main reason the staff have pushed for more PVP this time around is to heighten the risk factor people have with characters in main factions, so they are more likely to have rewards and losses, keeping rp and positions from remaining sedentary, and allowing the story to become more dynamic. I'm not sure how that will transfer over to the senate, or if it will, but I hope to see vying for power, positions, ect become an exciting thing for rp. I personally don't think there should be an exact focus on "fair" in main faction roleplay as far as keeping one's position goes, because fairness is really an objective thing based on the eyes of the beholder.

I agree more with @Darby Shelton in that I'd like to see what happens when Senators are caught breaking the law, can't do their jobs correctly, overstepping power, ect, and how they might be demoted because of that. Of course that is not to say that every waking moment will have someone worrying about loosing their position in the senate, but removing the risk of loosing your position because a character isn't set up to take the stress might not seem fair to others, or fair to the potential story that can develop through that shortcoming.

 

[Latte]

all i wanted was to play a senator and explore more emotional plotlines, debates about what to do with the Sith, and possibly assassination attempts if someone was up for it, not get into a bunch of petty arguments solely so my character gets thrown out on his ass. i dont like PVP, i dont want to do PVP where itll cost my character the entire basis of his plot and character, and i dont want that to be something forced on me just because i wanted to roleplay in the star wars universe with other people.

do i expect to progress and gain power if i dont take a bunch of risks and PVP in risky situations? nope, because since PVP is a requirement to advance at any pace in power and ranks, im aware i cant advance without PVPing. im totally fine with that. i just want to stay as senator of empress teta, participate in politics, develop my character with other peoples characters, and be left the hell alone for the most part (save for assassination and upheavals of everything and the like, thatd be fun), not thrown out of my position. i am terrible at PVP and no amount of practice from here is going to make me better since i have practiced and still suck at it.

 

[Beta12]

all i wanted was to play a senator and explore more emotional plotlines, debates about what to do with the Sith, and possibly assassination attempts if someone was up for it, not get into a bunch of petty arguments solely so my character gets thrown out on his ass. i dont like PVP, i dont want to do PVP where itll cost my character the entire basis of his plot and character, and i dont want that to be something forced on me just because i wanted to roleplay in the star wars universe with other people.

do i expect to progress and gain power if i dont take a bunch of risks and PVP in risky situations? nope, because since PVP is a requirement to advance at any pace in power and ranks, im aware i cant advance without PVPing. im totally fine with that. i just want to stay as senator of empress teta, participate in politics, develop my character with other peoples characters, and be left the hell alone for the most part (save for assassination and upheavals of everything and the like, thatd be fun), not thrown out of my position. i am terrible at PVP and no amount of practice from here is going to make me better since i have practiced and still suck at it.

I feel like you are taking what @Bauren @Darby Shelton and I are saying a bit seriously. We are by no means laying down the law, or describing what will be happening in the senate, just what we would like to see going on in the senate. I understand that you aren't comfortable with having your character go up against another in an election for the Empress Teta Senatorial Position, or one day face the possibility of being removed, but no one is saying they plan on doing this with your character. We are simply having a discussion about what we would like to see in the senate, and are not trying to start a debate around the possibility of someone not wanting their character demoted.

We've only been expressing the opinion that we would be perfectly fine with our spots being challenged, as well as others, because if characters are made to be self defeating in the first place than that should be able to be roleplayed fairly as well. The senate will not have PVP in it, and I think equating the possibility of someone challenging someone else with an election to PVP is a bit unfair, because all it would even be in the first place is simply campaigning and vying for an office, something that all politicians in a representative republic have to do.

 

[Latte]

i was taking it pretty seriously since admins take suggestions from members of the site all the time and ive seen the admins actively listening to peoples suggestions in other threads. im hugely afraid of my characters having a bunch of stuff taken from them or being killed since i put so much into them, so just the idea of being forced to compete just to keep my non-advancing position really really freaked me out.

i apologize if i came off really harsh, my emotions got out of hand on this topic.

 

[Darby Shelton]

I mean, the thing this site does better than others is keep an air of reality to it. Players DO get killed, just like people do in real life. Senators, if performing under expectation, would get kicked out of their seat. No one is saying, "Yeah, let's get Latte kicked out of the Senate". Just do your job and you should be fine.

We just want it to be considered as an option, as it WOULD add an air of tension to the Senate. Make sure players are performing their duties, as risk is introduced in the form of losing a position or having to do something of less importance while they try to claim their rightful spot back.

It's just an idea, mate.

 

[Beta12]

i was taking it pretty seriously since admins take suggestions from members of the site all the time and ive seen the admins actively listening to peoples suggestions in other threads. im hugely afraid of my characters having a bunch of stuff taken from them or being killed since i put so much into them, so just the idea of being forced to compete just to keep my non-advancing position really really freaked me out.

i apologize if i came off really harsh, my emotions got out of hand on this topic.

@Latte

It really isn't a problem. We are all going to have our own opinions and disagreements about what we would like to see in the senate. How the senate will be structured is, for the most part likely finished by the staff and the think-tank, and what someone says in this thread isn't going to become the end-all-be-all of how things are made in their workshops.

I'm sure some people on the site feel like you, but I am one of the others that feel like death, loss, and bad things are a part of what makes your characters story interesting and real, along with all of the life, reward, and good things that come along with it. For example, I would be disappointed if my senator never got into a heated discussion, faced corruption, or into another risky situation that would realistically force them to loose it all. If you've ever watched a television show, or a really good one like House of Cards, Game of Thrones, Breaking Bad, etc, there is a lot of inherent ups and downs, hopeless situations, sweet moments, intense moments, and all of the other stuff that make the story more dynamic.

It's fine if you are uncomfortable with that because you are attached to your character. My character Dyson is a smuggler, and with that comes a lot of danger. For example, though I don't plan on him being arrested, he might be tracked down through rp by a Sector Ranger and he might very well go to jail because of it. Though him being in jail wouldn't be ideal, it would become another part of his story and I would continue to develop it in whatever path it took me.

EDIT: Premature cut off

 

[Darby Shelton]

@TAC I have fully thought it out, and I would love to stand for the people on Odryn. Kreet would be my Senator. Due to Jedi Master Feln wrecking his home planet despite being Feeorin also, Kreet has a distrust of Jedi. If a Jedi would wreck his home world, why would any other Jedi be different? He believes their fight to be "means to an end", not caring what or who they destroy in order to accomplish their goal.

I'd also be willing to put Kreet in any committee that might need it, he can be written pretty flexibly in terms of WHAT he'll be doing in the Senate.

 

[MasterTyvokka]

@Green Ranger Is it going to be possible for ambassadors to, through some potential method whatever that might be, get their planets into the Republic or BA?

 

[Brandon Rhea]

@Green Ranger Is it going to be possible for ambassadors to, through some potential method whatever that might be, get their planets into the Republic or BA?

Yes.

 

[TAC]

Mauve Codi - Senator of Empress Teta

hes still a WIP but im definitely working on him actively (i had to read up on the planets history first). @TAC thanks for setting up this thread to begin with, im really looking forward to the role of the senate in this new timeline.

http://www.thestarwarsrp.com/forum/index.php?threads/who-is-in-which-main-faction.63970/

EDIT: With Empress Teta (the planet I've made a Senator for in 4th and 5th Timeline) taken, I think I'll sign up for Senator of Kalevala.

WELL SIGN ME RIGHT THE HELL UP. Feeorin Senator would be insane, since Odryn is just...man, that place is a wreck. It'd be fun to try and incorporate that planet into the Senate.

@TAC I have fully thought it out, and I would love to stand for the people on Odryn. Kreet would be my Senator. Due to Jedi Master Feln wrecking his home planet despite being Feeorin also, Kreet has a distrust of Jedi. If a Jedi would wreck his home world, why would any other Jedi be different? He believes their fight to be "means to an end", not caring what or who they destroy in order to accomplish their goal.

I'd also be willing to put Kreet in any committee that might need it, he can be written pretty flexibly in terms of WHAT he'll be doing in the Senate.

All added. Welcome!

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As for the PvP Debate at home gig....

I think it might get complicated and messy, because there is no good way to determine who won. Elections aren't decided based on debates, debates inform voters for elections. And I don't think we want to see a popularity test. That'd be stupid and get nasty. Plus Kyle would never be able to retain a Senator.

With that, though -

a) senators can impeach their fellows.

b) if you want to work out a story arc with another writer with a debate and vote - power to you! I just don't think it's necessary or right to do it as a factional procedure.

 

[Beta12]

@TAC Oh yeah, trust me, it was never about actually becoming a senator through elections and debates. We were talking more about the idea to actually impeach a senator if they cannot do their work.

 

[TAC]

Aw yeah. You can try to impeach them.

I'll probably just personally kill them first, though. :)

 

[Officiant]

Aw yeah. You can try to impeach them.

I'll probably just personally kill them first, though. :)

I guess that's one way to solve revolving door politics...