Barack the Vote

[Matt]

I'm not saying killing poeple, I know it may seem that way however, I do believe much harsher punishments are needed.

 

[Ser Yorick]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Darth Nexus @ Feb 15 2007, 05:38 PM) [snapback]149689[/snapback]</div>

Killing people won't do anything. It won't instill fear on anyone. America has had the death penalty for years and it has changed nothing.[/b]

To some extent in certain states, yes they do have the death penalty. Is killing people for commiting crimes right or wrong? Depends on the crime, but in certain instances, I believe it to be the right thing. But hey, I think revenge to be a better solution to the system in most cases. I'm a nut job.

 

[Sovereign]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Granden @ Feb 15 2007, 05:10 PM) [snapback]149681[/snapback]</div>

haha, no, seriously, killing people makes people learn: "geeze If I be a total fuck up and rape this lil' boy... im gonna get a nice warm seat in ol' sparky."

seriously, the harsher the punishment, the more likely people are going to be afraid to pull that kind of crap.
Thats simple logic.

After all? Yeah prison sucks, no pun intended but everyone knows it really is bad in there. But obviously its not as scary for some. So step it up a notch, make punishments something that people will actually dread and fear.[/b]

There's actually more murder in states with the Death Sentence. Get your facts straight, son.

 

[Raze]

You can't stop crime, as theres no perfect anything on this rock. However you can kill the bastards that killed someone else... The next best thing is torture... So without jumping to extreams, I agree with kurt that it depends on the crime, but in general harsher punishments are needed. IE: Medivel times people we're alot more fearful in disobeying their lords. (not saying: "Lets go medivel!... but hey, it worked to an extent) Instead of giving a quick death to rapists, murders etc etc whatever... Perhaps some suffering is nessasary to instill fear to all who observe... In other words, make an example out of someone.

Again, no perfect way of handling things, its either too liberal, or too harsh... I'd prefer to go with harsh.

 

[Adamis]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Granden @ Feb 16 2007, 11:10 AM) [snapback]149681[/snapback]</div>

haha, no, seriously, killing people makes people learn: "geeze If I be a total fuck up and rape this lil' boy... im gonna get a nice warm seat in ol' sparky."

seriously, the harsher the punishment, the more likely people are going to be afraid to pull that kind of crap.
Thats simple logic.

After all? Yeah prison sucks, no pun intended but everyone knows it really is bad in there. But obviously its not as scary for some. So step it up a notch, make punishments something that people will actually dread and fear.[/b]

Those kind of people don't think like that. They either don't see what they are doing is wrong or they just don't care or they can't stop themselves. I mean people don't go and say "Hmmm I think I will go rape a little boy because even if I get caught they won't kill me." Half the time they were abused as a child themselves and thereby think its ok or do it as revenge or it just makes them into sick, sick puppies!

 

[Lillianne Crasse]

There's been a study on this same thing and in most cases the death penalty does little to decrease crime rate. What it does do instead is cost more money with all of the legal fees and appeal processes.

As for Obama, though, you have to remember he doesn't have very much experience in the government as some of the other candidates coming into the election. This could be a benefit and also a hinderance in certain cases. Many think we need drastic changes to the government and in our policies. Perhaps Obama can bring that about. Then again, perhaps as the first black president he won't try to push too many things. The first black or female president will have a hell of a time in the office gaining respect. People's ideals don't change overnight and I know for a fact that there are many people out there who will look down upon one or the other for some old school, biased, racist, sexist reason.

 

[live2rock]

I'd rather have Clinton in Office than Obama anyday. Or at least Gulianni. Bill Clinton was a great president...

 

[Lillianne Crasse]

Gulianni was crooked, though. He may have done well in handling 9/11, but he's had scandal around him during his time in office as mayor..lol. He was widely hated before 9/11.

 

[live2rock]

I just think Obama's not experienced enough just yet. Maybe in 2012.

 

[Matt]

Neither was jfk, and he did more good during his short time in office then most presidents.

 

[Brandon Rhea]

Experience = corruption.

We can't afford experienced candidates.

 

[Ser Yorick]

That's what I was thinking. Experience just means you're good at doing what America has been doing all along, you guys need change, not the same old, same old.

 

[Lillianne Crasse]

Again, experience can be good and it can be bad as well. You can't say that just because the ones who have held the office recently have sucked that it was because of experience that things turned out as they did. It all comes down to personalities, those they surround themselves with, how pliable they are by the lobbyists and diplomats from other countries. This isn't a senate seat, this is the presidency we're talking about. You want to make sure that the person you place in that seat is one that can handle the stress and all that comes with it.

 

[Adamis]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Syeira/Arya @ Feb 22 2007, 05:35 PM) [snapback]152009[/snapback]</div>

Again, experience can be good and it can be bad as well. You can't say that just because the ones who have held the office recently have sucked that it was because of experience that things turned out as they did. It all comes down to personalities, those they surround themselves with, how pliable they are by the lobbyists and diplomats from other countries. This isn't a senate seat, this is the presidency we're talking about. You want to make sure that the person you place in that seat is one that can handle the stress and all that comes with it.[/b]

Is that why Bush got in twice? Because he could handle the stress because he was too stupid to even realise there was any stress actually on him at the time?

 

[Lillianne Crasse]

Bush got in because he won the highest number of electoral college votes on both counts. Why people voted for him was probably for many different reasons...issues, lack of a more qualified candidate in the voter's eye, stance on something that was important to the voter, etc.

Just because you don't like him doesn't mean others didn't at the time of the election, dear...lol. If you ask me, Bush got elected twice because of his name and also his conservative stances.

 

[Brandon Rhea]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Syeira/Arya @ Feb 21 2007, 11:35 PM) [snapback]152009[/snapback]</div>

Again, experience can be good and it can be bad as well. You can't say that just because the ones who have held the office recently have sucked that it was because of experience that things turned out as they did. It all comes down to personalities, those they surround themselves with, how pliable they are by the lobbyists and diplomats from other countries. This isn't a senate seat, this is the presidency we're talking about. You want to make sure that the person you place in that seat is one that can handle the stress and all that comes with it.[/b]

I never said it was only experience that made them crooked, though it was a major factor. The longer you're there, the more temptations you have and the more likely it is that you will give in to said temptations.

 

[Epic]

Works Vice Versa too there, Baccie Boy.

 

[Jetzt]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Granden @ Feb 15 2007, 10:10 PM) [snapback]149681[/snapback]</div>

haha, no, seriously, killing people makes people learn: "geeze If I be a total fuck up and rape this lil' boy... im gonna get a nice warm seat in ol' sparky."

seriously, the harsher the punishment, the more likely people are going to be afraid to pull that kind of crap.
Thats simple logic.

After all? Yeah prison sucks, no pun intended but everyone knows it really is bad in there. But obviously its not as scary for some. So step it up a notch, make punishments something that people will actually dread and fear.[/b]

What ever way you look at it though, there will still be innocent people sentanced to death...