A Riot

[Count Sam]

Well I do remember suggesting that before a long time ago, but well now that the battle freeze is over I thought I would bring this topic back up again.

So I guess the main topic is clear we start a riot at one of the Alliance planets. Of course I know that the Alliance is not our enemy yet, but still that does not mean we cannot strike at them.

The plan would be simple first of all we can hire mercenaries and send them to one of the Alliance main planets (for example Coruscant) and then we can bribe one of the Alliance politicians and have him rally masses around him and have them start rioting against the government, of course as we all know the Jedi have great control over the Alliance and a lot of Alliance citizens do not like that so we can use this as our ally very well. Of course ones the riot starts we will have the mercenaries blind with the masses and start firing random shots to fuel things up more.

Also this mission will be pretty much a secret mission and not even the mercenaries would know who hired them.
So what do you guys think?

 

[Brandon Rhea]

First I want to clarify a few things, since there are massive assumptions in this idea. To begin with, the Jedi do not have great control over the Alliance. OOCly, yes the Jedi faction is the good guy faction, with the Alliance military being part of it. ICly, the Jedi are the Generals of the Alliance military. However, the Alliance still has a military command structure independent of the Jedi. It has a Chief of State who is not a Jedi. It has a Congress. Etc. etc. Don't let the OOC merger confuse you as to the IC influence of the Jedi.

Secondly, even if that assumption was true, you're not in a position to assume what many citizens of the Alliance think. That, essentially, is metagaming Alliance NPC characters, so you can't just outright state that as fact unless you can somehow back it up.

 

[Count Sam]

First I want to clarify a few things, since there are massive assumptions in this idea. To begin with, the Jedi do not have great control over the Alliance. OOCly, yes the Jedi faction is the good guy faction, with the Alliance military being part of it. ICly, the Jedi are the Generals of the Alliance military. However, the Alliance still has a military command structure independent of the Jedi. It has a Chief of State who is not a Jedi. It has a Congress. Etc. etc. Don't let the OOC merger confuse you as to the IC influence of the Jedi.

Secondly, even if that assumption was true, you're not in a position to assume what many citizens of the Alliance think. That, essentially, is metagaming Alliance NPC characters, so you can't just outright state that as fact unless you can somehow back it up.

Well even if the Jedi do not have any control over the Alliance they still do have much power over the military and they do have strong influence over the GA faction as a whole. Beside the Alliance society is a democratic mixed society that has a lot of people from different races and with different thoughts. If I am not mistaken there will always be citizens within the Alliance who are against the Jedi and think that they are the ones who brought war to them.

So considering this is a democratic society I just thought that it is possible to have a group of citizens being against the government in some of its ideals and stand up to them.

 

[Brandon Rhea]

There will be citizens against the Jedi, but let's also remember the era that we're RPing in. This isn't the Hutt War, it's post-NJO. People who are opposed to the Jedi will be few in numbers.

So I'm not saying it's impossible to riot. I'm just pointing out that your idea here requires the NPCing of NPCs from another faction, and that's really not all that plausible in a RP setting. I don't see how you can have a successful riot scenario the way you described it without metagaming.

 

[Count Sam]

There will be citizens against the Jedi, but let's also remember the era that we're RPing in. This isn't the Hutt War, it's post-NJO. People who are opposed to the Jedi will be few in numbers.

So I'm not saying it's impossible to riot. I'm just pointing out that your idea here requires the NPCing of NPCs from another faction, and that's really not all that plausible in a RP setting. I don't see how you can have a successful riot scenario the way you described it without metagaming.

Well I don't plan on npcing the Alliance citizens; I was simply planning to get someone who is neutral to do the job. Also I clearly know that people have grown more supportive to the Jedi during the NJO and post NJO era but still there are always those people who would be against the Jedi.

Also this was simply a rough draft of my rioting idea, there might be a huge change to the plan and still I need Zach’s approval after all.

But were you saying that rioting is impossible without goddmodding? Because to be honest having a riot would make a good plot and it would be the best way to fight an Unconventional warfare.

 

[Brandon Rhea]

If the Jedi faction wants to go along with the plot, then it's not impossible. If they don't want to go along with the plot, then you'd be pushing the boundaries of what's possible.

 

[Black Noise]

In other Count Sam it is just not a good idea at this time. Perhaps later on in the timeline this may happen. But at the moment the Sith currently have the upper hand over the Jedi. The two new battle threads may change this, but at the moment there is a lot of 'go jedi!' sentiment in the GA because people tend to be more supportive when a universal evil is being faced. Kind of like America when we faced the Nazis, very few protesters, very few.

 

[Zach]

The title of this thread got me thinking to another route we can take. A riot to me suggests and an individual with power seeking to usurp his or her commander. To get to this level, the common populace needs to have a similar assortment of dissatisfaction with the government or leadership. This can be anywhere from a town, to a planet, or an entire system, but it's concept is the same.

Like Sam originally had in mind, I was trying to think of a way to use this as an offensive tactic against one of the CA's enemies, perhaps at the expense of some propaganda or covert operations, but what if we sued this in a defensive way for the Ascendancy's benefit? I know that most of the faction's steps have been progressive in a protective fashion by securing and establishing Chiss Space, but it might not be time yet to move to an aggressive stance. I actually have something in mind for a more progressive offense, but I'll be starting another discussion thread about it. More to this point, I think we might be able to instigate a riot of sorts, perhaps to promote a civil enemy for sympathy from the population and financial benefactors to the faction. If anything, a bit of deceit could prove to gain the CA a boost in profits for economic stability. The Expansionary Defense Fleets maintenance costs are being upheld by a series of expedition and salvage teams, scouring and gathering resources (scrap materials) for recycling, but the general funding isn't covered by that. The sympathy factor wouldn't be the only benefit, however. If it's a staged job from inside the government ICly, we could use it as a call to arms among civilians, promoting more Chiss into the defense military. I'd also like to possibly incorporate the Colonial Phalanx, which is a defensive militia that's officially coordinated by CAIN. It's the bottom section of the Expansionary Defense Force.

Anybody else have input on this?