United States Presidential Election, 2016

The Captain · Oct 13, 2016

How did we get here? Seriously, is there a spread sheet somewhere that lays out how we got to this travesty? A serial sexual assaulter and the shadiest woman in politics vying for the highest office in America.

Phil · Oct 13, 2016

I have fully convinced myself that I no longer care who comes into office at this point, and am ready to embrace whatever madness comes and gets passed. I survived the "horrors" of Obama as my family made his term be.

Green Ranger · Oct 13, 2016

Captain Hook said:
How did we get here? Seriously, is there a spread sheet somewhere that lays out how we got to this travesty? A serial sexual assaulter and the shadiest woman in politics vying for the highest office in America.

Jsut saying, but it's weird how whenever I see someone complaining about both candidates you treat them both on the same level of equal horror. Most democratic nations would love to be able to put forward candidates with Clinton's experience and background.

Seriously, while you guys are complaining about 'woe is us, we've got two terrible candidates how did we get here,' the rest of the world is trying to figure out why, up until about last week, this was going to supposedly be a close election.

The Captain · Oct 13, 2016

Green Ranger said:
Jsut saying, but it's weird how whenever I see someone complaining about both candidates you treat them both on the same level of equal horror. Most democratic nations would love to be able to put forward candidates with Clinton's experience and background.

Seriously, while you guys are complaining about 'woe is us, we've got two terrible candidates how did we get here,' the rest of the world is trying to figure out why, up until about last week, this was going to supposedly be a close election.

Yeah, Clinton is clearly the far lesser of both evils, but being better than Donald Trump isn't a high bar to clear. You have to acknowledge that she isn't a saint, she's just our best option in this election.

Green Ranger · Oct 13, 2016

Captain Hook said:
Yeah, Clinton is clearly the far lesser of both evils, but being better than Donald Trump isn't a high bar to clear. You have to acknowledge that she isn't a saint, she's just our best option in this election.

Why is being a saint suddenly a prerequisite for President though? It never has been before, because politics isn't about morality. It's about doing a job capably, having experience to make tough calls and doing what's right for the national interest rather than doing what's good.

Clinton's massively experienced in domestic and foreign policy, she knows how to play the political game, she's held a position in cabinet, she's been first lady (and worked on some major reforms while in that position) - I could go on. The woman's been working towards a presidency her whole life.

And her opponent has a twitter account, a hairpiece, a moderately successful business empire, no political experience and the ability to offend literally everyone who isn't a white, male, upper middle class american citizen.

You shouldn't be lamenting the decline of political standards for candidates. You should be lamenting the decline in Republican political standards for candidates, because that's where the real problem has been for at least the last three elections..

The Captain · Oct 13, 2016

Green Ranger said:
Why is being a saint suddenly a prerequisite for President though? It never has been before, because politics isn't about morality. It's about doing a job capably, having experience to make tough calls and doing what's right for the national interest rather than doing what's good.

Clinton's massively experienced in domestic and foreign policy, she knows how to play the political game, she's held a position in cabinet, she's been first lady (and worked on some major reforms while in that position) - I could go on. The woman's been working towards a presidency her whole life.

And her opponent has a twitter account, a hairpiece, a moderately successful business empire, no political experience and the ability to offend literally everyone who isn't a white, male, upper middle class american citizen.

You shouldn't be lamenting the decline of political standards for candidates. You should be lamenting the decline in Republican political standards for candidates, because that's where the real problem has been for at least the last three elections..

I might be old fashioned, but I lkke my potential world leaders to at least be halfway decent people. There are a lot of world leaders one could point to who have experience and skills, but certainly wouldn't be seen as presidential material. I don't need a perfect saint, but I'd like someone who doesn't give nations a pass on having child soldiers because they are arming them with our guns.

EDIT: In the interest of fairness, I should point out that Donald Trump is about as close to Adolf Hitler as America has ever gotten.

Arian Korzak · Oct 13, 2016

I'm gonna admit, I liked just about none of them that "Could have won"

But legally speaking Hilairy Clinton is a criminal so is already ineligible for presidency. I don't like Trump either though.

We will see what occurs.

Outlander · Oct 13, 2016

Arian Korzak said:
I'm gonna admit, I liked just about none of them that "Could have won"

But legally speaking Hilairy Clinton is a criminal so is already ineligible for presidency. I don't like Trump either though.

We will see what occurs.

Actually, legally speaking, she isn't. She was under investigation, yes, but no charges where filed and she was never brought to trial.

She's shady as hell, yes, but she legally isn't a criminal.

The Captain · Oct 13, 2016

Arian Korzak said:
I'm gonna admit, I liked just about none of them that "Could have won"

But legally speaking Hilairy Clinton is a criminal so is already ineligible for presidency. I don't like Trump either though.

We will see what occurs.

And on a side note Trump could probably be convicted as a sexual offender at this point.

Outlander · Oct 13, 2016

Captain Hook said:
And on a side note Trump could probably be convicted as a sexual offender at this point.

And that doesn't even mention all the lawsuits filed with his company, Trump International.

Arian Korzak · Oct 13, 2016

Outlander said:
Actually, legally speaking, she isn't. She was under investigation, yes, but no charges where filed and she was never brought to trial.

She's shady as hell, yes, but she legally isn't a criminal.

Just because she wasn't officially a criminal, doesn't negate her illegal actions. A killer is still a killer even if they never get caught. Not getting caught doesn't make someone less a criminal.

Outlander · Oct 13, 2016

Arian Korzak said:
Just because she wasn't officially a criminal, doesn't negate her illegal actions. A killer is still a killer even if they never get caught. Not getting caught doesn't make someone less a criminal.

Except that her actions WHERE looked through extensively. It wasn't that she didn't get caught; it was that they looked at the situation and decided she wasn't a criminal.

Arian Korzak · Oct 13, 2016

Captain Hook said:
And on a side note Trump could probably be convicted as a sexual offender at this point.

Well than we have TWO criminals, goodness gracious. I had wondered but wasn't certain of it.

Arian Korzak · Oct 13, 2016

Outlander said:
Except that her actions WHERE looked through extensively. It wasn't that she didn't get caught; it was that they looked at the situation and decided she wasn't a criminal.

It seems you would be surprised how easily corrupted the system is. Let's get legal here, from the start there was actually no legal restrictions from preventing them from simply checking her emails, and yet they asked. Already we see an easy way out for her, delete the emails. Also, they do have evidence she recieved sensitive emails without the proper things done, however because the evidence also points to Obama who they did not also arrest it allows her to say something along the lines of "If you knew he did it why didn't you arrest him?" Which would put them in a very bad light because they would seem biased (most likely are). The fact a corrupt system did not decide someone was a criminal, still doesn't actually prevent them from being a criminal. It wouldn't actually be that hard to get away with that kind of stuff even if the system wasn't corrupt, it would take significant planning and constant work but still achievable.

By the way it is WERE not WHERE.

Outlander · Oct 13, 2016

Arian Korzak said:
It seems you would be surprised how easily corrupted the system is. Let's get legal here, from the start there was actually no legal restrictions from preventing them from simply checking her emails, and yet they asked. Already we see an easy way out for her, delete the emails. Also, they do have evidence she recieved sensitive emails without the proper things done, however because the evidence also points to Obama who they did not also arrest it allows her to say something along the lines of "If you knew he did it why didn't you arrest him?" Which would put them in a very bad light because they would seem biased (most likely are). The fact a corrupt system did not decide someone was a criminal, still doesn't actually prevent them from being a criminal. It wouldn't actually be that hard to get away with that kind of stuff even if the system wasn't corrupt, it would take significant planning and constant work but still achievable.

By the way it is WERE not WHERE.

Except that the majority of those sensitive emails received weren't marked properly, as per protocol, by the senders on the other end. Not to mention that the committee investigating her was primarily Republican during an election year, which should have biased them AGAINST her already going in.

Occam's Razor. Instead of assuming some kind of backdoor dealings and shifty corruptions that somehow affected both political sides, but was still monumentally expensive and time consuming, it's possible that she just isn't a criminal.

Arian Korzak · Oct 13, 2016

Outlander said:
Except that the majority of those sensitive emails received weren't marked properly, as per protocol, by the senders on the other end. Not to mention that the committee investigating her was primarily Republican during an election year, which should have biased them AGAINST her already going in.

Occam's Razor. Instead of assuming some kind of backdoor dealings and shifty corruptions that somehow affected both political sides, but was still monumentally expensive and time consuming, it's possible that she just isn't a criminal.

Unlikely. Also, I actually wouldn't be surprised if the republicans are corrupt as well. Pretty sure they are to. Also, she replied to those emails and forwarded them.

And there are quite a few pointless things that are expensive and time consuming done by the government. That is nothing new. And they aren't spending their own money, so it isn't their problem how much money is spent on it, it's taxpayers.

Outlander · Oct 13, 2016

Arian Korzak said:
Unlikely. Also, I actually wouldn't be surprised if the republicans are corrupt as well. Pretty sure they are to. Also, she replied to those emails and forwarded them.

And there are quite a few pointless things that are expensive and time consuming done by the government. That is nothing new. And they aren't spending their own money, so it isn't their problem how much money is spent on it, it's taxpayers.

You're saying that a group of Republicans where bribed/coerced to hide evidence against a major Democratic player and likely nomination in the election this year that would have caused criminal charges that would have kept her from running? Regardless of whether they would have even wanted to do that in the first place, they would have some serious issues with the Republican party as a unit.

Arian Korzak · Oct 13, 2016

Outlander said:
You're saying that a group of Republicans where bribed/coerced to hide evidence against a major Democratic player and likely nomination in the election this year that would have caused criminal charges that would have kept her from running? Regardless of whether they would have even wanted to do that in the first place, they would have some serious issues with the Republican party as a unit.

Not actually that crazy. Republicans aren't as different from democrats as they used to be, and people in power, especially those who try to obtain it and more, tend to get corrupted.

Unrelated to the topic, please stop using where instead of were? I'm not sure how that's happening, or why, but it is rather difficult to read.

Outlander · Oct 13, 2016

Arian Korzak said:
Not actually that crazy. Republicans aren't as different from democrats as they used to be, and people in power, especially those who try to obtain it and more, tend to get corrupted.

Unrelated to the topic, please stop using where instead of were? I'm not sure how that's happening, or why, but it is rather difficult to read.

Considering everything the parties have been throwing at each other recently, I find it hard to believe that what you think happened would have happened.

Yeah, sorry. Just keep using the wrong one by mistake.

Arian Korzak · Oct 13, 2016

Outlander said:
Considering everything the parties have been throwing at each other recently, I find it hard to believe that what you think happened would have happened.

Yeah, sorry. Just keep using the wrong one by mistake.

Well, I can't find the links to the information I need so I can show you. So I can't really prove it here. This is why the ability to mentally transfer data would be nice, and among the more reasonable abilities for society as a whole. But I can't do that, so not sure how to show this since my apologetics skills lie more in rationalism than evidence.

Ok, thanks. It's just some problem I have with things making sense I guess, something like that.

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