Turkey to claim Crimea from Russia: The next WW3?

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http://maidantranslations.com/2014/...a-declares-independence-it-returns-to-turkey/

"According to the agreement, signed by the the Russian empress Catherine the Great on April 19, 1783, the Crimean peninsula will pass from the Ottoman empire to the Russian empire."

Turkey also happens to a member of NATO source: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NATO and the U.S is obligated to provide them with military assistance under the self-defence clause. Russia is a member of the Shanghai Cooperative Organization with China source: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shanghai_Cooperation_Organisation so once Russia is in conflict with Turkey and NATO, they can ask them for help at any moment and China is obligated to help under the article of defence of the convention. Further proof is in this picture I found while researching this topic: http://www.zimbio.com/pictures/vHin8iK3Dq1/Russian+PM+Vladimir+Putin+Visits+China+Talks/PXirgKZBwmk Here is Putin with a man from China and the Chinese army right in front of it. What are they discussing? Mutual defence? Probably.

http://www.novinite.com/articles/103216/North+Korea+Threatens+Nuclear+Missile+Tests

And a North Korean rocket? Where does it play into this?

Anyone who thinks this isn't heading towards WW2 isn't paying attention.
 
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Sovereign said:
Scoff all you want, but you won't be laughing once a North Korean WMD sends Australia back to the stone age.
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We're already halfway there. The Liberals are in government.

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Bwahahaha. North Korea. Hit something.

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Laurent is correct. There are entangled alliances involved here. This is just like World War I. One country goes to war with another country, and we have an entangled alliance to help one of those countries. In this case that country is Turkey. It is a member of NATO. An attack on Turkey is an attack on the United States. If the Crimea annexation leads to war between Russia and Turkey, which I agree it will, that means World War III will happen. It's only a matter of time before China, Iran, and North Korea have to pick a side.

This is exactly what George Washington warned us about.

Plus, there are pictures of North Korean rockets on Google Images. If I can find them, imagine who else can.
 
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WW2? kk

EDIT: In all seriousness - the picture involving the PLA doesn't really mean anything. It could just be an honor guard, unless you can identify the Chinese official with Putin as some sort of official involved in Defense.
 
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You know what else I found on google images? Crab people.

Coincidence? You decide.
 
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Green Ranger said:
You know what else I found on google images? Crab people.

Coincidence? You decide.
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I'd appreciate it if you treated this issue a little more seriously. This could lead to nuclear war.
 
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When SIN posts things it gets hard to take it seriously.
 
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Brandon Rhea said:
This is exactly what George Washington warned us about.
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For those who don't know, here is the quote brandon is referring to:

"A system of shifting and entangling alliances is the greatest threat to the harmony of nations." - George Washington, June 1776, Philadelphia.
 
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I'd appreciate it if you treated this issue a little more seriously. This could lead to nuclear war.
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Hey, crab people is serious business. It's not my problem you're a skeptic.
 
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In my shitty opinion of a half-decent specialist, I see no way a ballistic war of such magnitude as a World War would be, in no way, profitable for the countries involved, and if I’m not mistaken, things such as ideological wars have died in a long time, ideology is only used as an excuse for people to wage war for territory and resources. Taking in consideration the sheer amount of destruction this would bring to the world as a whole, I don’t see a global war escalating. Maybe something like the Cold War will happen that I have no doubts upon, but a Word War III? I don’t see the pieces coming together to this end at all.
 
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England promised Guatemala a road from Belize to the capitol. The road was never built, Belize was given its independence and Guatemala got pissed. They didn't recognize Belize as an independent nation but guess what. The UK had a large military force that Guatemala could never contend with and so nothing ever happened. Same deal here. It's an old agreement, and even if Turkey is pissed (for some unknown reason they gotten along fine without Crimea for nearly two and a half centuries) they can't contend with the full force of the Russian military. If anything it'll be a diplomatic war. I'd be very surprised if Turkey sacrificed time, lives, and resources to fight a war over a piece of land under the protection of one of the world's superpowers because an ancient document said they could.

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The Stick of Truth said:
In my shitty opinion of a half-decent specialist, I see no way a ballistic war of such magnitude as a World War would be, in no way, profitable for the countries involved, and if I’m not mistaken, things such as ideological wars have died in a long time, ideology is only used as an excuse for people to wage war for territory and resources. Taking in consideration the sheer amount of destruction this would bring to the world as a whole, I don’t see a global war escalating. Maybe something like the Cold War will happen that I have no doubts upon, but a Word War III? I don’t see the pieces coming together to this end at all.
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This is a picture of the Crimean port of Sevastopol: http://www.weather-forecast.com/locations/Sevastopol

Notice anything?

It is the largest port in the world, and the most powerful harbour out of any country. There is, in fact, a huge oil reserve underneath the port and it also serves as the HQ of the Russian Air Force, Army, and Navy. The entire Russian navy is stationed at this port, and Putin even built one of his mansions there in 2005. Do you really think Russia is going to let all of that go under Turkish rule, especially considering long-lasting tension between Turkey and Russia over the Turkish oil drilling rigs in the Black Sea? A ballistic war doesn't seem so unlikely.
 
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England promised Guatemala a road from Belize to the capitol. The road was never built, Belize was given its independence and Guatemala got pissed. They didn't recognize Belize as an independent nation but guess what. The UK had a large military force that Guatemala could never contend with and so nothing ever happened. Same deal here. It's an old agreement, and even if Turkey is pissed (for some unknown reason they gotten along fine without Crimea for nearly two and a half centuries) they can't contend with the full force of the Russian military. If anything it'll be a diplomatic war. I'd be very surprised if Turkey sacrificed time, lives, and resources to fight a war over a piece of land under the protection of one of the world's superpowers because an ancient document said they could.

My two cents.
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Did Guatemala have the leverage of one of the most powerful mutual defense agreements in the world? Questioning the applicability, though I don't know much about the country.
 
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Guatemala has historically been resistant to international alliances. In 2002, they proclaimed that they would be mostly independent from the rest of the world, save for their important banana resources. So because they are isolationist, any conflict with them wouldn't lead to anything on the scale that one between Russia and Turkey would. That would automatically trigger an American response, and then it's only a matter of time until Iran and Israel are at war.
 
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