A New Plot for the SWRP

[Astra de Aurora]

As the majority of you may have noticed, the activity in this site is going down. It now takes 1-3 posts to get on the "Top 20 posters of the day" list and the RP is getting slower and slower. It is true that the RotS hype has gone done and we have our own personal lives to think about, but the SWRP should still stay active.

Basically, does anyone have any ideas to keep the RP alive? Come up with plots, events, wars, anything. Ideally, all factions should participate. Discuss the Pros and Cons of events that are created in this thread.

EDIT::

http://www.thestarwarsrp.com/forum/index.php?showtopic=7802

Please read the rules for the "Next Big War"

[Brandon Rhea]

I'm sure I don't have to remind everyone to keep it civil.

[Yorick]

And I'll also be doing something different in the coming days/weeks/months/timethatoccurs. I shall become an abstract character. A changling, if you will. Send me a PM, and I'll morph my base character to whatever you need for that one thread. I'll become a mercenary, an extra Jedi in a mission that takes two people, even a Sith bodyguard or Mandalorian on the battlefield. BUT, it's first come, first serve, so if someone recruits me for a battle on the Mandalorian side but the Republic wants me to fight for their side, I'll stick with the Mandos.

And just to be clear, I will NOT be having a switcheroo character that remembers all these things, it'll just be a physical character with a name, the backstory and experience for him will change with each new thread, essentially becoming a completely new person.

I'll become whatever is needed. An extra, if you will.

[JKey2003]

I think there should be more wars. Maybe they could involve certain different threads all for the same major event. This way you can include many characters, without having them all post on one thread (similar to the Blockade of Hoth thread). This is not practical for all battles though of course. I just get the Star Wars feeling when I read the thread about big battle between the Republic and Jedi vs. the Sith.

I dunno how many Sith characters there are tho ... i don't think there are that many tho.

[Yorick]

There aren't many of anything, that's the problem.

[Astra de Aurora]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Feris Kai @ Apr 5 2007, 03:59 PM) 157623</div>I think there should be more wars. Maybe they could involve certain different threads all for the same major event. This way you can include many characters, without having them all post on one thread (similar to the Blockade of Hoth thread). This is not practical for all battles though of course. I just get the Star Wars feeling when I read the thread about big battle between the Republic and Jedi vs. the Sith.

I dunno how many Sith characters there are tho ... i don't think there are that many tho.[/b]

At the moment, there is a thread in the Staff board where we are discussing war rules. Having multiple threads for a big battle is one of the ideas to avoid confusion. (One for space, one in a certain area on land, etc.)

[Yorick]

One for the civilians too, that would be cool. I'd love to be in that thread...
"Aye mate, could you pass the salsa?"
"No prob'em, pal."
"Whoa, look 'em spacecraft 'a flyin' down 'yonder, Fred!"
"Good lord! We're gonna die!"
"Nah, they're just'a makin' smoke trails, tryin' to spell out victory or somethin'. We always win tha' stuff."


But yeah, the numerous threads for a huge battle would be cool, but tough to monitor. As what if the Mandos are winning in one thread, but the Repub is winning in another?

[Adamis]

I say we have a "Lets all Kill Bac" Thread. Bac can run around like a little girl and people can come in and kill him however they want. Then he comes back to life again so everyone can have a go at killing him. I'm sure that would be a popular thread. :evil: ;) :evil:

[Drago Solaris]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(adroit @ Apr 6 2007, 12:38 AM) 157630</div>But yeah, the numerous threads for a huge battle would be cool, but tough to monitor. As what if the Mandos are winning in one thread, but the Repub is winning in another?[/b]


Then we have objectives E.G.

Battle between two starcruiser thingies. So say there were two threads, one being the main battle with space and stuff and the other a strike team from ship A abourd ship B, now this strike teams entrance would be RP'd in the main thread and when they reached the inside of the ship would post a link in the main thread [1] to their escapades [2]. Then in thread 1 everyone would see that strike team had entered ship B and made thread 2. Thread 1 would continue as it was in space and some people from ship B would divert to thread 2 to combat the strike team. In thread 2 the strike team would RP through the ship to their objective and upon completing it or failing it report back to thread 1 where, say the objective was destroy the shields, in thread 1 ship b's shields would go down making it easier for ship A to attack. The leader of the strike team would post a link to thread 2 in thread 1 on his return for easy access for others RP'ing in the thread.

[Brandon Rhea]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Adamis / Kal @ Apr 5 2007, 07:58 PM) 157633</div>I say we have a "Lets all Kill Bac" Thread. Bac can run around like a little girl and people can come in and kill him however they want. Then he comes back to life again so everyone can have a go at killing him. I'm sure that would be a popular thread. :evil: ;) :evil:[/b]

You're a riot.

[Drago Solaris]

I thought it was quite funny.

[Astra de Aurora]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(adroit @ Apr 5 2007, 04:38 PM) 157630</div>One for the civilians too, that would be cool. I'd love to be in that thread...
"Aye mate, could you pass the salsa?"
"No prob'em, pal."
"Whoa, look 'em spacecraft 'a flyin' down 'yonder, Fred!"
"Good lord! We're gonna die!"
"Nah, they're just'a makin' smoke trails, tryin' to spell out victory or somethin'. We always win tha' stuff."
But yeah, the numerous threads for a huge battle would be cool, but tough to monitor. As what if the Mandos are winning in one thread, but the Repub is winning in another?[/b]

I feel that one for the civilians would be unnesscary. :tongue:

That'd be our job, the Staff. Using that scenario, the officers would be communicating with each other (unless communications were knocked out) and informing the status. Besides, the Republic "winning" a battle by claiming territory may not really matter if half of the Republic's forces are dead. Also, a few battles in the American Revolutionary war were won by the British, yet the Americans "won" by proving a point. "Many of the British troops were lost. From a territorial stand point, the British won, but from a casualty standpoint, the Continental Army won. Only about 450 Colonists were lost." (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Bunker_Hill)

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Drago Solaris @ Apr 5 2007, 05:02 PM) 157634</div>Then we have objectives E.G.

Battle between two starcruiser thingies. So say there were two threads, one being the main battle with space and stuff and the other a strike team from ship A abourd ship B, now this strike teams entrance would be RP'd in the main thread and when they reached the inside of the ship would post a link in the main thread [1] to their escapades [2]. Then in thread 1 everyone would see that strike team had entered ship B and made thread 2. Thread 1 would continue as it was in space and some people from ship B would divert to thread 2 to combat the strike team. In thread 2 the strike team would RP through the ship to their objective and upon completing it or failing it report back to thread 1 where, say the objective was destroy the shields, in thread 1 ship b's shields would go down making it easier for ship A to attack. The leader of the strike team would post a link to thread 2 in thread 1 on his return for easy access for others RP'ing in the thread.[/b]

Dat too

[Brandon Rhea]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Drago Solaris @ Apr 5 2007, 08:05 PM) 157637</div>I thought it was quite funny.[/b]

You would.

[Adamis]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Brandon Rhea @ Apr 6 2007, 12:04 PM) 157636</div>You're a riot.[/b]
No the riot would be trying to decide who goes first. There would be alot of people in line for that.

[Yorick]

I thought the civilian thread was a grand idea... Grand I tell's ya, Fred!

[Adamis]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(adroit @ Apr 6 2007, 12:08 PM) 157643</div>I thought the civilian thread was a grand idea... Grand I tell's ya, Fred![/b]
Yeah but who would really want to RP if people attack an Outer Rim World:
"Hey its my turn with Peggy-Sue!"
"No its my turn with her!"
"Hey she's my sister too!"
"Wow will you look at that big ship-thingy. Thats amazing!"
"Haha, now I've got Peggy-Sue!"
"Damn it!"

[Yorick]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Adamis / Kal @ Apr 5 2007, 08:12 PM) 157645</div>Yeah but who would really want to RP if people attack an Outer Rim World:
"Hey its my turn with Peggy-Sue!"
"No its my turn with her!"
"Hey she's my sister too!"
"Wow will you look at that big ship-thingy. Thats amazing!"
"Haha, now I've got Peggy-Sue!"
"Damn it!"[/b]*I* would!

[Drago Solaris]

*YOU* scare me!

[Adamis]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(adroit @ Apr 6 2007, 12:17 PM) 157651</div>*I* would![/b]
Ok, moving right along.

[Yorick]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Drago Solaris @ Apr 5 2007, 08:19 PM) 157653</div>*YOU* scare me![/b]Muahahahahahahaha!.....
Go play dolls, while *I* go join the IMPORTAND threads, the civilian threads!

[Drago Solaris]

We dont get many people up these here parts!

OK back on topic now before i do come axe you all.

Is there any one who disagrees with the big war idea?

And we still need more ideas for what might cause it!

[Adamis]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Drago Solaris @ Apr 6 2007, 12:22 PM) 157656</div>We dont get many people up these here parts!

OK back on topic now before i do come axe you all.

Is there any one who disagrees with the big war idea?

And we still need more ideas for what might cause it![/b]
Yes I do want to disagree! I don't want a BIG war I want a small war. One fought between Midgets!!! :thumbup:

[Drago Solaris]

*BANNED* :thumbsup:

C'mon guys serios faces!

[Yorick]

I'm cracking up right now...!

But yeah, guys.. we need to discuss this situation we're having a problem with! The site is dying! We need moar people to RP!

[Astra de Aurora]

Um... Let's see... A member of one faction stole a cookie from the other faction's cookie jar. The "cookie" being some kind of superweapon, or a holocron or something.

[Adamis]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(*~The Snake Shadow~* @ Apr 6 2007, 12:33 PM) 157662</div>Um... Let's see... A member of one faction stole a cookie from the other faction's cookie jar. The "cookie" being some kind of superweapon, or a holocron or something.[/b]
How about Candy bonuses for people who RP alot. Us older members could drive around in vans and give it out.

[Drago Solaris]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Adamis / Kal @ Apr 6 2007, 01:34 AM) 157663</div>How about Candy bonuses for people who RP alot. Us older members could drive around in vans and give it out.[/b]
If you turned up at a school and told a kid hed won the special prize and offered him candy i doubt wed see you for a very very very long time.


Or maybe a plague sweeping the galaxy, one that was created by one faction.

Or some commenly used and needed resource shortage.

[Astra de Aurora]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Drago Solaris @ Apr 5 2007, 05:34 PM) 157664</div>Or some commenly used and needed resource shortage.[/b]

Easy, the Sith or Mandos invade Manaan.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Drago Solaris @ Apr 5 2007, 05:34 PM) 157664</div>If you turned up at a school and told a kid hed won the special prize and offered him candy i dbout wed see you for a very very very long time.[/b]
:rofl:

[Drago Solaris]

Mandos would work better than have the sith try to alliance with them and the jedi trying to take out both factions.

Or have it so mandos go on a galaxy conquest and manage to take the capital worlds and stuff and send both sith and jedi into a sort of exile (or if the jedi are still in exile just the sith thus giving the jedi some rebuild space) then both the sith and the jedi fight over the spoiled remains and the republic try to hold back the mandos

[Astra de Aurora]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Drago Solaris @ Apr 5 2007, 05:37 PM) 157666</div>Mandos would work better than have the sith try to alliance with them and the jedi trying to take out both factions.

Or have it so mandos go on a galaxy conquest and manage to take the capital worlds and stuff and send both sith and jedi into a sort of exile (or if the jedi are still in exile just the sith thus giving the jedi some rebuild space) then both the sith and the jedi fight over the spoiled remains and the republic try to hold back the mandos[/b]

Me likey that idea.

Also, it could be like another Mandos War where some Jedi try and help out the Republic and they get banished, kinda like the Exile. (Of course they wouldn't become the last Jedi and the death of the Force.)

[Drago Solaris]

Or maybe have some kind of sith civil war and have the leader killed off creating a power vacuum which both the jedi and the mandalorians rush to fill meanwhile the sith flail around blind and wipe out a whole lot of everything.

[Kalin Morne]

Can't say I'm interested in any of this.

[Epic]

What about posting in the Diverse Forum more often? Maybe Baccie Boy could finish that write up so we can RP that Unification War, eh? *Hint, Hint*

[Brandon Rhea]

It's not as easy as you think. It requires me to actually come with with thousands of years worth of ideas.

[Astra de Aurora]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Kalin Morne @ Apr 5 2007, 07:23 PM) 157696</div>Can't say I'm interested in any of this.[/b]

And why is it not interesting? Have you lost interest in RPing SW? If you still are, come up with reasons WHY you are dissatisfied before that's the problem. People are not INTERESTED and we want them to become INTERESTED.

[Epic]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Brandon Rhea @ Apr 5 2007, 09:43 PM) 157700</div>It's not as easy as you think. It requires me to actually come with with thousands of years worth of ideas.[/b]

Idea; Get a BASIC one, Incredibly General or a starting point for everyone. We all know that eventually the Republic has to be formed, right? Why not have everyone RP the stuff in between, huh? I mean, you start up some kinda RP with that timeline and stuff like that and I'll RP in it....Hell, that's the thing I've been wanting to do for ages!!!!

[Brandon Rhea]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Aaron @ Apr 5 2007, 10:53 PM) 157704</div>Idea; Get a BASIC one, Incredibly General or a starting point for everyone. We all know that eventually the Republic has to be formed, right? Why not have everyone RP the stuff in between, huh? I mean, you start up some kinda RP with that timeline and stuff like that and I'll RP in it....Hell, that's the thing I've been wanting to do for ages!!!![/b]

I'll figure it out soon. Don't worry.

[Adamis]

While I still think the midget war is the best idea, ;) maybe another time-jump. Start again fresh and new. Or a new species introduced, bend on dominance. Or have some new system or such come out or something. Hows this we have everyone who wants do be involved in some huge battle in an unknown system with the star about to go Nova. Everyone has to make jumps out of system to get out alive but no-one can get a good fix on co-ordinates because of the stars radiation or something so they all make random jumps. They all end up in some part of the Unknown region with very limited hyperspace jump points. Lets say its about 10 systems or so. Now everyone has to start again without the unlimited resources of the Republic or Sith Empire or whatever, they have to make new lives for themselves in these 10 new unknown systems. Limits it down a bit, has everyone fighting for a common goal, to find a way back home and can cut out all the people that have no wish to be in RP any more. Hell you can even have a side-story of those left behind trying to find out what actually happen to all these big and powerful people at this battle.

[Kalin Morne]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(*~The Snake Shadow~* @ Apr 5 2007, 10:45 PM) 157701</div>And why is it not interesting? Have you lost interest in RPing SW? If you still are, come up with reasons WHY you are dissatisfied before that's the problem. People are not INTERESTED and we want them to become INTERESTED.[/b]


Plain and simple; I don't want to RP a broken faction.

[Xerphox]

The Mandalorians should get a wiggle on with the civil war IMO

[Yorick]

Yeah, get a move on on that.

[Brandon Rhea]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(adroit @ Apr 6 2007, 10:26 AM) 157730</div>Yeah, get a move on on that.[/b]

What ever happened to your Sith civil war? You built up so much hype about it and then did nothing.

[Yorick]

Some shit happened, people started backing out, other people weren't listening to me.. and I left for a while.

[JKey2003]

The big war idea is nice! And of course that would make it easier for one person to posts as maybe more than one character. They threads would be monitored by all involved in the big battle, and at times the threads would intersect and characters from one thread, attacking the planet, could post on the other thread, starships fighting one another, to give a progress report to the commanders in the star ships. Of course there is the problem with one thread progressing faster because the memebrs are more active and post more often.

I did alot of reading on wiki about the Star Wars history and knowledge I never saw on the movies or in the KotOR game, and I saw that the Sith at one time used Alchemy to make destructive abominations called SithSpawn. Maybe Someone within the Sith Hierarchy could rediscover this ancient practice of using the dark force to alter either living or inanimate objects. Maybe this alchemy could be used to create an army of sithspawn and test the abominations on some helpless planet and from there a new war could begin. This is just an idea, I thought of while getting lost in Wiki's vast knowledge of SW expanded universe.

[Captain Kara]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Adamis / Kal @ Apr 6 2007, 12:11 AM) 157721</div>Or a new species introduced, bend on dominance.[/b]

That is good idea...if you want to go that way give me message and I'll work it out.

[Hue]

Okay, this is basically what I've gotten from this thread.

We need more active users. We start a war, Sith are bad guys, Jedi are good guys, Mandos do whatever they feel like doing. Sith steal Jedi cookies to start said war. For whatever reason, we all hate Bac.

Please tell me if I'm missing anything. I think most other things have been countered/thrown out.

[Brandon Rhea]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Kriegsherr Tyrius @ Apr 6 2007, 04:30 PM) 157781</div>That is good idea...if you want to go that way give me message and I'll work it out.[/b]

The staff has talked about a new species idea. There is some opposition to it, so what we had said was that if we were going to do a new species we would wait awhile and see what the factions could do first.

[Captain Kara]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Brandon Rhea @ Apr 6 2007, 01:34 PM) 157783</div>The staff has talked about a new species idea. There is some opposition to it, so what we had said was that if we were going to do a new species we would wait awhile and see what the factions could do first.[/b]

:thumbsup:...Alright

[Drago Solaris]

If anything we should do a new faction from the unknown regions rather than a new species.

[Yorick]

The Chiss or something.

[Brandon Rhea]

LOL let's get the EbonClaw to start a war and everyone can fight them so we can destroy them once and for all! After all, we all know they have "big plans" for the site.....

[Yorick]

They're like the CIA... The MOST powerful covert agency in the WORLD...
But I guess our "intelligence" was misleading, and incomplete.

[Brandon Rhea]

http://images.wikia.com/swfanon/images/4/46/MatronsCommand.jpg

adsdasdsa'hwcdmbcgjs jgsjgak'sasfsad asasda'SADADS (asdadsa'dagsgwefacqdscvrg)

That's EbonClaw for "WE WILL DESTROY YOU ALL (MAYBE) WITH OUR PURPLE SKIN!"

[Yorick]

Hmm... Interesting..

[Astra de Aurora]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Drago Solaris @ Apr 6 2007, 02:32 PM) 157796</div>If anything we should do a new faction from the unknown regions rather than a new species.[/b]

What about a faction that is Anti-Force user and surround themselves with Ysalamiri or something like that when they attack the Force using factions?

[Enishi]

We need more then just a plot; we need full-scale hell. We need there to be war and death on every single planet, and a civil war between every single group around, IMO.

[Captain Kara]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Brandon Rhea @ Apr 6 2007, 03:51 PM) 157808</div>adsdasdsa'hwcdmbcgjs jgsjgak'sasfsad asasda'SADADS (asdadsa'dagsgwefacqdscvrg)

That's EbonClaw for "WE WILL DESTROY YOU ALL (MAYBE) WITH OUR PURPLE SKIN!"[/b]

We will destroy you all (maybe) with our purple skin! I believe is this: Udos orn elgg dos jal (mayoe) xuil udossta sil'ilos waess!

[Yorick]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Enishi @ Apr 6 2007, 10:03 PM) 157840</div>We need more then just a plot; we need full-scale hell. We need there to be war and death on every single planet, and a civil war between every single group around, IMO.[/b]That's a little exessive, but yeah, we need chaos to break out, and LOTS of stuff for people to be doing and being active in.

I don't really like Snake's idea for Ysalamiri though, they get pretty ****ing annoying, and are incredibly cheap at times. As that totally removes a Jedi/Sith's powers, which is the reason why most people pick one of those factions. Taking away the Force is essentially stripping bare what makes Star Wars, Star Wars. It'd be boring if we all played regular soldiers instead of lightsaber and Force-wielding maniacs.

[Enishi]

What if we have a sort of arms race? like introduce a new weapon that has such a great power and all factions want it. Jedi to get rid of it, sith to dominate it, Mandalorians use it to blow shit up.

somthing along those lines

[Brandon Rhea]

One MAJOR thing that needs to change is that people need to stop being afraid of losing their characters. Let's face it, people. In war, people die. If no one dies, what do we have? A shooting match with everyone going "LOL HAI GUYZ". That's rediculous and it needs to change. If you don't want to lose your character because you think that you won't be able to come up with a new one, you're a) not giving yourself enough credit or b) you have no imagination and you suck at life. Coming up with a character REALLY isn't all that hard. Hell, most characters in an RP hardly evolve into anything epic anyway so it's not like you'd really be losing much. If you're afraid to die because you don't want all of your hard work to go to waste then boo hoo. This is a site where you Role-Play someone's life and death is part of life. You can't just Role-Play the good and avoid the bad.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Kriegsherr Tyrius @ Apr 6 2007, 10:40 PM) 157847</div>We will destroy you all (maybe) with our purple skin! I believe is this: Udos orn elgg dos jal (mayoe) xuil udossta sil'ilos waess![/b]

How the **** do you know that?

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Enishi @ Apr 7 2007, 12:16 AM) 157871</div>What if we have a sort of arms race? like introduce a new weapon that has such a great power and all factions want it. Jedi to get rid of it, sith to dominate it, Mandalorians use it to blow shit up.

somthing along those lines[/b]

Lol not bad.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(adroit @ Apr 6 2007, 10:47 PM) 157848</div>That's a little exessive, but yeah, we need chaos to break out, and LOTS of stuff for people to be doing and being active in.

I don't really like Snake's idea for Ysalamiri though, they get pretty ****ing annoying, and are incredibly cheap at times. As that totally removes a Jedi/Sith's powers, which is the reason why most people pick one of those factions. Taking away the Force is essentially stripping bare what makes Star Wars, Star Wars. It'd be boring if we all played regular soldiers instead of lightsaber and Force-wielding maniacs.[/b]

Agreed.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Enishi @ Apr 6 2007, 10:03 PM) 157840</div>We need more then just a plot; we need full-scale hell. We need there to be war and death on every single planet, and a civil war between every single group around, IMO.[/b]

That's a bit too much, imo.

[Adamis]

How about have some new terrorist group pop up who have some thing against ALL force-users since they have so much power, blah, blah, blah and they can do lots of terrorist attacks (like the PCF in The Krytos Trap) that force the Sith and Jedi to go hunting for them, kind of like America's War on Terror.

[Brandon Rhea]

And how do the Mandalorians fit into that? Or Independents? We need something that EVERYONE can become involved with.

[Adamis]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Brandon Rhea @ Apr 7 2007, 04:43 PM) 157879</div>And how do the Mandalorians fit into that? Or Independents? We need something that EVERYONE can become involved with.[/b]
Maybe they can be hired by any side. Maybe the Mandos are framed by the terrorist and some more rash members of the Jedi go and attack them for well revenge and so the Mandos get pissed because they didn't do it and now the Jedi have a four-way war on their hands; them vs terrorists vs Sith vs Mandos.

[Astra de Aurora]

Then there's the problem of the Jedi getting forced into Exile... Again.

[Brandon Rhea]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Adamis / Kal @ Apr 7 2007, 12:46 AM) 157880</div>Maybe they can be hired by any side.[/b]

The problem with that is that Mandalorians are not guns for hire in this timeline.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Adamis / Kal @ Apr 7 2007, 12:46 AM) 157880</div>Maybe the Mandos are framed by the terrorist and some more rash members of the Jedi go and attack them for well revenge and so the Mandos get pissed because they didn't do it and now the Jedi have a four-way war on their hands; them vs terrorists vs Sith vs Mandos.[/b]

That cannot happen. As Susan said, the Jedi would then be forced into exile for the third time on this site. When people complain that the RP is getting boring, doing the same thing really is not a viable solution.

[JKey2003]

Well I think there are more Jedi Active members than Sith so I do forsee and Exile, and that would be stupid anyways. The blows should hit all sides. Jedi's dealt a huge blow!, Then the Jedi get the Sith with a major blow, and then the Mando's get hit up too. No faction should lose and go to exile.

I agree about character having to die. When these characters are seeing all kinds of action, eventually they will be killed...

Adamis:
How about have some new terrorist group pop up who have some thing against ALL force-users since they have so much power, blah, blah, blah[/b]

How bout a Thought Bomb (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thought_bomb#Thought_bomb)???

But this would be devastating to say the least. Maybe too much...

I have been stuck with the idea someone mentioned: something about people of an entire population having to flee the planet because of a nova, and they coordinates for hyperspace get screwy and everyone gets shot in different directions into deep space...

I was continuing it in my head and I saw some spaceships jumping into hyperspace and hitting asteroids b/c the coordinates were screwy. Some spaceships exit hyperspeed to find they have discovered a solar system untouched by the Empire's grasp ... galaxies that even the Jedi archives do not know of. They have no way to contact any of the world it left behind, and now they have to find lifeforms and land, hoping to find some sort of fuel or communications, etc... They are about to have the First Arrival (Happy Belated First Arrival Day!) on some planet, like earth, untouched by the vast galaxies of space-traveling aliens... :p

Maybe many new planets and lifeforms could be discovered ... maybe a few new resources or minerals that could have crazy properties. Maybe there will be some ancient power discovered on one of the planets. (the cookie???)

Maybe these new worlds will become the battlegrounds of the next great war of the factions... ???

[Brandon Rhea]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Feris Kai @ Apr 7 2007, 02:17 AM) 157888</div>Well I think there are more Jedi Active members than Sith so I do forsee and Exile[/b]

You’re newer, so I can realize why you would say that. However, let me put it this way. A few months ago, there were so many active Jedi members. I sent them into exile BY MYSELF. What does that tell you?

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Feris Kai @ Apr 7 2007, 02:17 AM) 157888</div>How bout a Thought Bomb (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thought_bomb#Thought_bomb)???

But this would be devastating to say the least. Maybe too much.[/b]

The problem with the thought bomb is that you first need someone incredibly power and second people would want to use it all the time. It could get out of hand quickly.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Feris Kai @ Apr 7 2007, 02:17 AM) 157888</div>I have been stuck with the idea someone mentioned: something about people of an entire population having to flee the planet because of a nova, and they coordinates for hyperspace get screwy and everyone gets shot in different directions into deep space...
I was continuing it in my head and I saw some spaceships jumping into hyperspace and hitting asteroids b/c the coordinates were screwy. Some spaceships exit hyperspeed to find they have discovered a solar system untouched by the Empire's grasp ... galaxies that even the Jedi archives do not know of. They have no way to contact any of the world it left behind, and now they have to find lifeforms and land, hoping to find some sort of fuel or communications, etc... They are about to have the First Arrival (Happy Belated First Arrival Day!) on some planet, like earth, untouched by the vast galaxies of space-traveling aliens... :p

Maybe many new planets and lifeforms could be discovered ... maybe a few new resources or minerals that could have crazy properties. Maybe there will be some ancient power discovered on one of the planets. (the cookie???)

Maybe these new worlds will become the battlegrounds of the next great war of the factions... ???[/b]

The technology to travel into other galaxies does not exist. The technology to do that only came about during the final days of the Old Republic with the Outbound Flight project.

In terms of finding new and primitive species, what would be the point? It’s not like you could make a faction out of them, as there is no way anyone who is primitive would be able to defend themselves against the weapons of this galaxy.

[JKey2003]

just trying to further the discussion. I intergrated a few ideas other peopled mentioned like the new speices and the anti-force user weapon (which i agree is only good in moderation and shouldnt get out of hand).

Since there a almost no Jedi members and almost no Sith members and almost no member period, why don't we have some common enemy of all the factions.

Is this possible?

Could Jedi and Sith EVER fight side by side, even against a common enemy???

Dunno, but it would be crazy having us all fight together and then turn on each other and stuff like LOST ... but i digress.....

[Epic]

I kinda like the Idea of the Sith and Jedi being forced to work side by side. There'd be a lot of tension in the air, Spying on each other, that kinda stuff.

[Yorick]

Would never work. Even if the Vong showed up.

[Brandon Rhea]

Indeed.

[Adamis]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Brandon Rhea @ Apr 7 2007, 06:23 PM) 157889</div>In terms of finding new and primitive species, what would be the point? It’s not like you could make a faction out of them, as there is no way anyone who is primitive would be able to defend themselves against the weapons of this galaxy.[/b]
Well the Jedi would have to protect them of course and the Sith would try to bring them into their ranks as slaves or possibly new force-users to be trained. As Kreia said, the battle has never been fought between droids and starships, it has been fought inside every person involved, it the choices they make.

[JKey2003]

We have already established we dont want just another Sith vs. Jedi.

We should not do something that has been done repeatedly in the past, like someone pointed out already.

We still need to think of something original...

[Enishi]

What if we have a kind of new force group, who attempt an 'ethnic cleansing' of all force-sensitive that aren't part of them?

[Brandon Rhea]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Enishi @ Apr 8 2007, 12:18 AM) 157952</div>What if we have a kind of new force group, who attempt an 'ethnic cleansing' of all force-sensitive that aren't part of them?[/b]

Been there, done that. We had the Holy War where the Bendu and Shadourians wanted to get rid of the Jedi and the Sith because they were different.

[Brandon Rhea]

http://www.thestarwarsrp.com/forum/index.php?showtopic=7784

There's your big event to get a big war started. Now go ****ing RP.

[Eudemonia]

Well, I wanted to implement a nation state, resource, and currency system but it was thoroughly shot down by a handful of people. It's my opinion things would certainly spice up if we implemented such a thing.

Also came up with an idea for resource distribution on planets recently, would create resource and trade wars.

Eudemonia, the nation I made, was also going to be the rogue power that comes in and cleans house in the outer rim territories, and introduces several critical technologies to necessitate an arms race between the galactic powers.

I also agree with the prospect of people RPing as many characters as they want, so they won't care if a handful get killed off, in addition to actual nations being created so there can be real wars instead of the typical struggles between the usual suspects.

This would create a very dynamic power struggle, where the old powers would be struggling to maintain their immense holdings in contrast to more vigorous peoples. It would be akin to The Migration Period, or the medieval period.

Anyway, I'm still around if you guys change your mind and want a nation-state/resource/real war system. I'll even stream-line the monolothic system I wrote up before.

[Drago Solaris]

Eudemonia we remember your idea from previosly and it was dismissed by the staff because it would not work on this RP site. The ideas where good but it would have been too constricting on the members too have to check resources and troop management before every single thread, and as such we decided that, though it was a good idea, not to impliment it. The staff as since have been working on a set of rules of our own and are currently in the final stages of revising it. We would appreciate it if you no longer mentioned your idea on the site because it was dissmissed by the staff and will not be used. If you feel that you wish to attempt to revise the ideas you may do so and send them to the staff via a PM or post them in the suggestions area.

[Kalin Morne]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Drago Solaris @ Apr 9 2007, 05:34 AM) 158203</div>Eudemonia we remember your idea from previosly and it was dismissed by the staff because it would not work on this RP site. The ideas where good but it would have been too constricting on the members too have to check resources and troop management before every single thread, and as such we decided that, though it was a good idea, not to impliment it. The staff as since have been working on a set of rules of our own and are currently in the final stages of revising it. We would appreciate it if you no longer mentioned your idea on the site because it was dissmissed by the staff and will not be used. If you feel that you wish to attempt to revise the ideas you may do so and send them to the staff via a PM or post them in the suggestions area.[/b]


Revising the system was always on the table. In fact, none of the arguments presented were actually against the system(Aside from tl;dr), but the concept of a military portion to the RP at all. Anyone remember the huge debate between me and Bac over whether or not Macro events were as important to a story as Micro? Yea. That was part of the discussion.

[Yorick]

We are not discussing this at the present moment. If you still wish to do so, the PM system is a wonderful thing.

[Scurge]

We could be a series of traveling bands from the 60s, lol.

[Yorick]

I'll show you a sweep.

[Eudemonia]

What the, why did you delete my post?? It didn't have anything to do with the system or anything o-O

[Kalin Morne]

wtf? My puff post was deleted?

[Brandon Rhea]

My posts were deleted as well.

TO STAFF MEMBERS: If you're going to delete posts, you need to do three things: first, state in the thread that you have deleted posts; second, state in the thread WHY you have deleted posts; third, PM the person whose posts you delete and tell them why you have done so.

I will not say who deleted the posts, as that is not my place, though I reccomend that the person who did should state that they were the ones that did it.

[Yorick]

They were deleted because of continuing on a subject that was told to cease. Kalin, the puff post being deleted was an accident, lol. The others, were not. If you wish to yell at me because your post "had nothing to do with the subject" then PM me. Don't carry on in this thread please.

[Astra de Aurora]

After much discussion, the staff has created a set of rules for the next war.

http://www.thestarwarsrp.com/forum/index.php?showtopic=7802

Read them, you may learn something. :p

[Brandon Rhea]

I also just posted that link in OOC, as I did not realize you had posted it here.

[Yorick]

*Responding to discussion from other thread*

It's a funny thing about the war rules system, and the people arguing for more stuff, more rules, more complicated mess, and macro RP shit.

I thought this was a free-form RP site? We start using crazy accurate systems and the like, and it takes the free-formness out of it. It does just what Kalin was saying OUR rules are actually doing. It takes away from the creativity of the RPer, and gives all the decisions up to what the rules set, and macro shit spews out. It's like revisiing all our characters into d20. In order to keep up with this complicated system of numbers, resources, etc, we'll have to actually make our CHARACTERS that way too. Which in my opinion ****s everything up. Because then a small force of Jedi Knights (3) can't go into an RP thread against a larger band of Sith forces and win, because the system won't allow it, because everything is decided by what stats each side has. There's no creativity in that. There's no free-form battling going on, it's just left up to some retarted system. The RPer does nothing but sit back and let numbers rule his world, no longer is he telling a story, no longer are his fingers skittering across the keyboard coming up with some awesome back-hand slash assault raining down from up above his enemy and having it swing down in a blazing orange light to decapitate his foe, because the opponet has +8 defence and can block that shit. The RPer doesn't even need to post any more, because everything will be decided for him before he goes into the thread.

Now, I know what you're gonna say, "Nah, we just meant a resource system for space battles, and large numbers of NPC's." Well that's all and good, but every step you take towards that system, the closer we get to it, and soon we'll have some other dude come along and say it's too simple, because he's used to it, and wants to implement yet another set of rules. When will it stop? Never.


[End rant]... [Logging off]

[Brandon Rhea]

I completely agree. I am going to quote something from the "Role-Playing Rules" thread in the Rules and Guidelines board:

"We have always found that the simplest form of role-playing is the best form of role-playing."

This is true because, as Kurt said, it allows everyone to be creative and you will neve really know what to expect. We will never, ever step away from a simple form of Role-Playing, because a more complicated system will do exactly what Kurt said. It's also interesting to note that the rules we have in place in the aforementioned thread are incredibly simple and easy to understand. That will also never change.

[Brandon Rhea]

As Kalin mentioned in the thread in OOC, the rules for holding battles were not phrased very well. Therefore, they have been re-written and are as follows:

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Battles may not always be planned in the war. They may happen spontaneously, and this is encouraged as this is a free-form Role-Play site. This also allows the Role-Play to stay fresh. For example, in a war that pits the Jedi Order against the Sith Empire, three Jedi are in a thread by themselves and two Sith come by and they begin to fight. In an effort to reduce the amount of problems during this small, minor conflict, one member of the fight will PM a battle moderator so the battle will be moderated effectively.

However, there is a larger process that Faction Leaders must go through when it comes to launching a major battle. Faction Leaders are not required to request battles. In an effort to limit headaches for the members of the staff and the members of the community, the process for arranging a battle is as such: first, the Faction Leader will PM a battle moderator and say who they are planning to attack, where they are planning to attack and a brief description of how they are going to attack. The battle moderator cannot refuse this initial part. What the battle moderator will need to actually approve is the number of forces on both sides of the battle, the type of forces on both sides of the battle and the battle plan itself. As said, battle moderators cannot say ‘no’ to a battle taking place. They will, however, approve how the battle will take place. This is due to the fact that if a battle moderator was to say that a battle could not take place, not only would they be slowing things down in the Role-Play but they would also be throwing a wrench into the plans of the faction.

[Kalin Morne]

This is a better system.

[The Agriculturist]

I was a battle moderator a while ago, but it was never really used. I wouldn't mind acctually using it now...unless you have thems all selected out to be specialy cool staff folk.

[Astra de Aurora]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(The Agriculturist @ Apr 10 2007, 09:33 PM) 158451</div>I was a battle moderator a while ago, but it was never really used. I wouldn't mind acctually using it now...unless you have thems all selected out to be specialy cool staff folk.[/b]

The special newbie admins got picked for the job! :D (Drago, Dakar, Matt Jr., and myself so far)

[Xerphox]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(*~The Snake Shadow~* @ Apr 11 2007, 05:42 AM) 158452</div>The special newbie admins got picked for the job! :D (Drago, Dakar, Matt Jr., and myself so far)[/b]
Yay for us

[The Agriculturist]

I hate you all.

[Drago Solaris]

I love you too.

[Astra de Aurora]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(The Agriculturist @ Apr 11 2007, 10:10 AM) 158474</div>I hate you all.[/b]

Wanna be best friends?

[Kalin Morne]

I wish I had friends D:

[JKey2003]

ill be your friend






NOT!

:no


*high-fives everyone else and they all stare at you in contempt*




Just kiddin of course ... i dont even know ya

[The Agriculturist]

^^
Scurge's drug partner.

[JKey2003]

what was that??

i cant even read the ****in monitor thru all this smoke....



OH SHIT THE PO-PO

...

:police:

...

RUN ... DROP THE BONG A RUN!!!!!!!!

[silver]

Um,I thought this was a debate thread,not a random joke thread.

[Kalin Morne]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Feris Kai @ Apr 11 2007, 06:35 PM) 158501</div><div class='quotemain'>ill be your friend
NOT black.

[JKey2003]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Mephiles @ Apr 11 2007, 07:02 PM) 158505</div>Um,I thought this was a debate thread,not a random joke thread.[/b]


you're right ... i am ashamed of myself



and will not post again until I have something of merit to offer to the debate



which wont be any time soon b/c i'm so stoned

[Yorick]

That's enough now. Get back on topic or I'll smite thee.

[Lillianne Crasse]

If you want my input on the matter, which I doubt you do...lol...then I suggest this. A huge war with the Jedi, who are still weak, defending/fighting against some of the more active/powerful factions on the site isn't going to work. The Jedi need some meat to their bones and need time to build up. People come onto the site and see the faction weak and doing nothing so they don't want to join that faction. It makes sense. Everyone wants to be on the winning side and not the losing side. Every time we've had one faction that is more powerful than the rest, newer members rush to join that faction and the others are left lacking.

Here's a drastic idea and one that is very controversial. What if the Jedi and the Sith worked together just once to put down a common enemy? They might not even know that they are really helping one another out, either. Perhaps there's some outbreak of a disease that is only affecting those gifted with being able to manipulate/perceive the Force about them. Further uncovering of the mystery points to a man-made virus/bacteria, or even some biological type of AI that is somehow introduced into their systems and is activated by use of the Force....that is being cultured/created in some outer rim world. If anyone is to survive, then they must destroy the plant and all of those involved before things become too much more widespread. This is really off the top of my head and probably cheesy, but it's a beginning in a sense.

Have someone centrally manipulating both sides, Jedi and Sith to this end. It could be someone neutral like the Crime Lord in KOTOR2.

[Epic]

Said it before and I'll say it again; Jedi and Sith Working Side By Side is going to spice things up more than Emeril Lagasse.

[Lillianne Crasse]

lol...the fact of just seeing them TRYING to work together without killing each other would be hilarious. Afterwards, when the major threat is thwerted and both sides are a bit stronger, resume their holy war.

[Yorick]

It would never happen. Under NO circumstances would the Jedi, OR the Sith, even consider something of that kind. The Sith would be too proud, and would attempt to take on this new threat and the Jedi on at the same time.

[Epic]

So? They'd still both be working together without their knowledge. Then both have to fight a two-front war.

[Lillianne Crasse]

as I said, they wouldn't know that they were ultimately working together to the same ends. They would think they were acting alone and ultimately their actions would be aiding the other.

[Yorick]

SO both sides would be like the CIA? They'll have bad intelligence?

[Lillianne Crasse]

No. You are thinking two narrowmindedly. Think of it from a nature standpoint. What one species does ultimately has an impact on their environment or habitat. As a result, those changes have an effect upon the other creatures who dwell there. Both can work unknowingly to make things better, worse or cancel their works completely out. Again, think back to KOTOR2 and even think about how Sidious handled things. Ultimately he controlled the fate of many worlds and they only had small glimpses to what was really transpiring around them.

[Yorick]

It's quite different when you have a single planet, and some things in nature affect others, and when you have an entire galaxy, with such superior technology, and intel on threats. I think it would be fairly obvious that they'd both be battling the same enemy, and realize they'd be helping each other (which wouldn't happen because they'd still be fighting each other at the same time, so they WOULDN'T be helping each other).

[Lillianne Crasse]

Given the greater threat, the Jedi would concentrate on them and not the Sith, instead they would be trying to avoid the Sith at all costs. There could be minor battles there, but the focus would be upon the greater threat.

Besides, it was only a suggestion to help out. You guys can take it or leave it.

[Yorick]

Eh, the Sith are the natural "enemies" of the Jedi if you think about it. Technically that is, but the true enemy IS the dark side.

If this threat were to be something like the Vong, or something like that, then maybe they would ignore the Sith for a little while. But they wouldn't help them, if even inadvertantly. But the Sith wouldn't ignore the Jedi, they'd still be going after them whole heartedly, if they didn't, they wouldn't be the Sith.

[The Agriculturist]

Dont be so bold with that. If i'm a jedi and your a sith, we dont like each other. I run, you chase, but if another lightsaber of someone we both hate snaps on behind you and you see it slash down, chances are you will turn and fight that, even if your a sith and im a jedi. enemy of my enemy is my friend, EVEN if the jedi and sith arent friends.

[Lillianne Crasse]

Depends on what the whole plan the DL hoped to achieve at that moment

[Astra de Aurora]

Personally, I like Kelly's idea of the Sith and Jedi working together but not working together. Sure, they would know that the other faction had the same problem as well as was working on a way to find it, but they wouldn't want to combine knowledge in order to solve the problem, obviously.

[Yorick]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(The Agriculturist @ Apr 12 2007, 08:34 PM) 158707</div>Dont be so bold with that. If i'm a jedi and your a sith, we dont like each other. I run, you chase, but if another lightsaber of someone we both hate snaps on behind you and you see it slash down, chances are you will turn and fight that, even if your a sith and im a jedi. enemy of my enemy is my friend, EVEN if the jedi and sith arent friends.[/b]Well, if the enemy goes and attacks the Jedi, the Sith would just keep running, grinning all the while. Now were the attack aimed at the Sith, chances are the Jedi would probably intervene, and attack the enemy. Then the Sith would resume assault right away, if not during the attack.

They would not help each other. The Jedi might, if only in hopes of changing the Sith, making him see the light, but the Sith would NOT return the favor.

[The Agriculturist]

You need to find simplicity. Your thinking is too complicated for your own good. I didnt mean that they would help each other they way you are saying, I was just saying that the sith wont chase the jedi no matter what. A more prominant problem, I.E. a lightsaber bieng slashed towards the sith, would direct the evil man's attention from his jedi killing obession i would think, because otherwise he would be dead, and there would be no sith. So if there is a threat to both jedi and sith, and the threat is knocking on Nefarius' door, i highly doubt he will ignore it and just go chase after jedi. or else agian, there wont be any sith..

[JKey2003]

Dont be so bold with that. If i'm a jedi and your a sith, we dont like each other. I run, you chase, but if another lightsaber of someone we both hate snaps on behind you and you see it slash down, chances are you will turn and fight that, even if your a sith and im a jedi. enemy of my enemy is my friend, EVEN if the jedi and sith arent friends.[/b]
You need to find simplicity. Your thinking is too complicated for your own good. I didnt mean that they would help each other they way you are saying, I was just saying that the sith wont chase the jedi no matter what. A more prominant problem, I.E. a lightsaber bieng slashed towards the sith, would direct the evil man's attention from his jedi killing obession i would think, because otherwise he would be dead, and there would be no sith. So if there is a threat to both jedi and sith, and the threat is knocking on Nefarius' door, i highly doubt he will ignore it and just go chase after jedi. or else agian, there wont be any sith..[/b]


I cannot argue with your logic.

[Yorick]

I didn't say the Sith would ignore the new enemy... I said he would fight against this new enemy, and it's likely the Jedi would try to help. BUT, if at some point during the ensuing fight, the Sith sees an opening against the Jedi, he will take it. UNLESS, taking that opportunity would mean his own end. And right after the new threat is destroyed, he'd go back after the Jedi anyway, as he would assume the Jedi is tired and weak. He would not just like nod to the Jedi, and walk away.

I'm thinking deep into this, because that's exactly what the Jedi and Sith would be doing.
As a simple lightsaber fight, and a large scale war are comepletely different. You have more time to think during such things than you do during a street brawl.

[The Agriculturist]

True, but thats whats going to liven things up. ALL FACTIONS have to work "together" (without doing so side by side, i think you get what i mean by this point), BUT AT THE SAME TIME be watching their own back against each other. It would be alot more interesting then the same old recycled stuff that has been happening.

[Yorick]

Well the thing is, you guys are talking about this like it's a totally new and unique idea; it's nothing new. When we talked about bringing a new race or whatever in, that's essentially what would happen, there'd be some new faction that will be against everyone. Any of our current factions could do that as well. The Mandalorians for example, even the Sith. All that has to be done is to break off the alliance, and you have basically what you guys just said.

But, like I already suggested, we could just rewrite a bit of star wars history, and chuck the Chiss into the equation. Have them come out of the Unknown Regions a little early.

[Lillianne Crasse]

When you speak of the Chiss, you're bringing technology that the Ebonclaws were using into the equation. The Ebonclaws were supposedly the race that eventually developed into the Chiss from how they were roleplayed. There are other races that are in play in this specific time period that you could enact easier and still stay cannon.

[The Agriculturist]

It doesnt need to just be a race. Can be a disease, and organization, whatever. just anything that will screw with EVERYONE. And than the rp will be more intense. Just get a group of rpers to be that new threat, and than your set. I'll volunterr myself to do it even.

[Yorick]

No offence, Kelly, but the Ebonclaw didn't really USE anything. You guys did little, to nothing at all.

Plus, canon in my opinion DOES matter, but only to an extent. In this case, it should be an exception. We need things that are familiar to old AND new members. New members come on here and see some weird thing called the Ebonclaws and they're all like "wtf is this shit? These guys are all ebon coloured?" etc. They need something familiar. But it will be different, as it's in a different time period, and the like. IMO the Chiss would be better than trying to bring BACK the Ebonheads, as no offence again, they didn't work for a reason.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(The Agriculturist @ Apr 12 2007, 09:01 PM) 158718</div>It doesnt need to just be a race. Can be a disease, and organization, whatever. just anything that will screw with EVERYONE. And than the rp will be more intense. Just get a group of rpers to be that new threat, and than your set. I'll volunterr myself to do it even.[/b]Well, there IS a new faction that was created, and you even were interested in what was happening. THAT is an organization against EVERYONE. Go join it.

[The Agriculturist]

Not interested to join, interested to acctually do somthing to them :). But im not arguing just bringing up somethings to think about. so if you guys think the Consortium is enough, than so be it. doesnt matter that much to me.

[Brandon Rhea]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Arya Stark @ Apr 12 2007, 08:59 PM) 158717</div>The Ebonclaws were supposedly the race that eventually developed into the Chiss from how they were roleplayed.[/b]

Uh, what? The Chiss were already around in this time period.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(The Agriculturist @ Apr 12 2007, 09:07 PM) 158720</div>so if you guys think the Consortium is enough, than so be it. doesnt matter that much to me.[/b]

It's not enough, but it's a start.

[JKey2003]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(adroit @ Apr 12 2007, 09:03 PM) 158719</div>We need things that are familiar to old AND new members. New members come on here and see some weird thing called the Ebonclaws and they're all like "wtf is this shit? These guys are all ebon coloured?" etc. They need something familiar.[/b]

this much is true


(from the perspective of a new member)

[lakorish]

Okay, im gonna sound totally noob doing this, but I actually developed something that did screw with everyone. I was trying to figure out exactly what we are now for a few buddies of mine (Dakar is probably having a seizure right now cause he was one of them and he knows whats comming), so here it is:

The Chiss(for lack of a better species) have united under the mass industrialization of its newly formed empire in uncharted space. The make lots of warships, lots of soldiers, and most importantly, lots of droids. It isnt a precursor to Episode I though. Thes droids are ships who are a kamakazee of sorts. The are fast, agile, and totally loaded with explosives. They have 4-8 arms which they use to latch onto ships, a drill which bores a hole into the ship's side, and a funnel which feeds the payload into a ship's hold. Oh, and their technolegy suprassed simple starship sheilding, making that tech totally useless. Translation: ship goes boom very quickly.

There are hundreds of thousands of these things, possibly millions. They halt all major space traffic. Important people stay on their respective planets for fear of safety. The warships then come in after the droids. The droids then form blockades around selected planets (Coruscant, Corillea, Hapes, etc). The warships target com systems, anti-air, and military bases. The troops land, take the battered planet, establish martial law, begin to assimilate it, and move on to the next one.

The "rebels" for lack of a better term, are forced to collect on overlooked, under appreciated worlds and mount some sort of resistance. A weakness is found eventually, after lots of people dying, some sort of frequency or transmission which tell them to "go home" and blow up there. The galaxy is saved. End of story.

[Yorick]

Cool concept, but I think a lot of things would need to change. Obviously, the ending you stated wouldn't be thought out yet, as it'll be open ended, but uh, the 'droids thing, is possible, and sounds good.

I like the idea of fighting back though, like from outer rim planets, etc. The Chiss however, would not be the ones with 'droids, as they're not like that. And we don't necessarily need 'droids specifically, all we'd need is a more powerful empire that can sweep in to do this. And someone to lead said empire, and know what they're doing.

The Yuuzhan Vong would be ideal for something like this, IMO. But I doubt that's gonna happen.

[Brandon Rhea]

First of all, the Vong were not around in this time period. There was one Vong ship in the galaxy during the Mandalorian War, but it didn't do anything. I would also prefer to steer clear of new races, because then we get dumb stuff like the Vong.

[Yorick]

Well I don't think we should stick bare to just this time period's factions and such, as basically there were only Jedi, Sith and Mandos. Plus Czerka and other non-tactical organizations. We CAN rewrite Star Wars history here. Vong, Chiss, or whatever, we need SOMETHING. And if not, then I still say new era.

Who's up for a mass MSN convo on this shit?

[The Agriculturist]

ooo oo pick me pick me!

[Brandon Rhea]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(adroit @ Apr 13 2007, 03:30 PM) 158857</div>We CAN rewrite Star Wars history here.[/b]

We shouldn't, though. It gives us too much room for being cheap and could lessen our credibility with newer members. First, if they see the Vong then they would think we were Post-ROTJ. Then, when we tell them we're not, mass confusion kicks in.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(adroit @ Apr 13 2007, 03:30 PM) 158857</div>Who's up for a mass MSN convo on this shit?[/b]

Not me. That would be TOTALLY unorganized. Everyone would be talking at once and immature people would just start making stupid little sex jokes and such.

[Kalin Morne]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(The Consort @ Apr 13 2007, 03:40 PM) 158860</div>We shouldn't, though. It gives us too much room for being cheap and could lessen our credibility with newer members. First, if they see the Vong then they would think we were Post-ROTJ. Then, when we tell them we're not, mass confusion kicks in.
Not me. That would be TOTALLY unorganized. Everyone would be talking at once and immature people would just start making stupid little sex jokes and such.[/b]


The Vong are a horrible mistake in any endeavor.

[Will]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(The Consort @ Apr 13 2007, 08:40 PM) 158860</div>Not me. That would be TOTALLY unorganized. Everyone would be talking at once and immature people would just start making stupid little sex jokes and such.[/b]
i feel like talking as i haven't for a while.
it went fine for other Rp sites i've been on that had Cbox's. ALthough there are some very immature people here... but then have the warning system

oh, and what are vong?

[Brandon Rhea]

The Yuuzhan Vong, a gay species from the New Jedi Order book series -

http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Yuuzhan_Vong

[Doomsday]

So much hate for the Vong. I personaly like them. :mellow:

[The Agriculturist]

many here are just Anti New jedi order.

[Brandon Rhea]

With me, it's not just NJO. I dislike a great deal of the post-ROTJ books, comics, etc.

[Will]

ok. they do seem gay. But i like the pics. and the way that they almost took over the galaxy.

[Epic]

I enjoyed NJO....

[Brandon Rhea]

You also enjoy the NHL, but I won't hold that against you.

[Eudemonia]

Eudemonia volunteers to be a main antagonist, just don't expect any kind of easy victories, or victories period.

Also, is there at least some say with nations in regards to the mods deciding random shit? I'm worried about people not knowledgeable in military history/economics/or politics making bad and inaccurate decisions in regards to some random events.

IE: Eudemonia having logistical problems and Sith having one, which would be like Rome having logistics problems with the Seleucid Empire being A-OK.

I'll also like to volunteer to be a battle mod since macro stuff is OK now, I've got a great knowledge of military history, particularly Medieval and WW2, and an excellent understanding of political and economic theory.


EDIT: I'll state that without any mathematical formulas or a probability system that these mods can use, they will mostly be winging decisions that may have no basis in reality. Logistic problems, rebellions, and what not should be the result of bad/careless management and lack of resources due to pressure from other areas, not entirely random. There IS a point when too simple because more unwieldly than a more complex system, this is why organizations and human structures scale up over time, not down.

[Yorick]

Um.. we not implementing a macro system. I thought we made that clear.

And Bac, hockey is awesome, so was NJO, so stfu bitch! MUAHAHAA!

[Eudemonia]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(adroit @ Apr 13 2007, 08:26 PM) 158897</div>Um.. we not implementing a macro system. I thought we made that clear.

And Bac, hockey is awesome, so was NJO, so stfu bitch! MUAHAHAA![/b]

Uhh, having wars is macro level stuff, so yeah you do have macro stuff now. Look at your own war rules, wars are macro.

[Kalin Morne]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(adroit @ Apr 13 2007, 08:26 PM) 158897</div>Um.. we not implementing a macro system. I thought we made that clear.

And Bac, hockey is awesome, so was NJO, so stfu bitch! MUAHAHAA![/b]


Wars are Macro-level actions.

[Brandon Rhea]

I believe Kurt was referring to mathematical formulas or a probability system, etc.

[Yorick]

We do not have a macro-level system that involves statistics/mathematic ways of deciding what happens in a war. We have ALWAYS had wars, dude. Just not a system that decides what HAPPENS in a war. We just now implemented battle mods to make sure wars don't get out of hand, etc. And I'm sorry, but since you are still relatively new, and have not done much RPing, if at all, you cannot become a battle mod. We have our administrators already doing so.

[Eudemonia]

Fair enough, but I hope the decisions of the moderators for these random events will at least make sense and be appropriate for the nations they are deciding upon.

[Brandon Rhea]

Susan, Drago, Dakar and Matt Jr. know what they're doing. You don't have to worry about that. They have been RPing for quite some time now.

[Yorick]

Well what do you think we're going to do? Make a bunch of novice mistakes that make absolutely no sense? It's not like we're idiots, dude.

[Kalin Morne]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(The Consort @ Apr 13 2007, 08:58 PM) 158918</div>Susan, Drago, Dakar and Matt Jr. know what they're doing. You don't have to worry about that. They have been RPing for quite some time now.[/b]


RPing for quite some time doesn't mean knowledge of Military or Logistical matters.

[Brandon Rhea]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(adroit @ Apr 13 2007, 08:58 PM) 158919</div>Well what do you think we're going to do? Make a bunch of novice mistakes that make absolutely no sense? It's not like we're idiots, dude.[/b]

Alright, let's try not to mince words here.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Kalin Morne @ Apr 13 2007, 08:58 PM) 158920</div>RPing for quite some time doesn't mean knowledge of Military or Logistical matters.[/b]

Yeah, it kinda does. The more RP experience you have, the more experience you have with leading others and fighting.

[Kalin Morne]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(The Consort @ Apr 13 2007, 08:58 PM) 158921</div>Alright, let's try not to mince words here.[/b]


I'm stating a fact.

[Brandon Rhea]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Kalin Morne @ Apr 13 2007, 08:59 PM) 158922</div>I'm stating a fact.[/b]

I was referring to Kurt. You posted when I was still typing.

[Eudemonia]

I don't mean RP mechanics, that's not an issue here as you are all frankly spot on a sfar as RPing goes.

What I mean are things like troop levels, fleet sizes, economic restraints, infrastructure, and logistics. These don't need any rules if you don't want them, but they need some careful consideraton.

IE: A nation with excellent production ability and logistics but with low manpower will very rarely, if ever go undersupplied but may experience shortages of manpower.

That's all I'm curious about.

[Yorick]

OK, if and when there is a mistake made, you may PM the battle mods and make your complaints, there is no need to continue this discussion if you're going to openly debate their competence.

[Brandon Rhea]

Fleet sizes and such will be determined by the faction leaders in the near future.

[Eudemonia]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(adroit @ Apr 13 2007, 09:01 PM) 158925</div>OK, if and when there is a mistake made, you may PM the battle mods and make your complaints, there is no need to continue this discussion if you're going to openly debate their competence.[/b]

You're awfully antagonistic, I'm not debating anyone's competence, but how the decisions are made. I was wondering if these things are considered, so cool off.

[Brandon Rhea]

Everything has been considered. And, again, there is no need to mince words.

[Eudemonia]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(The Consort @ Apr 13 2007, 09:03 PM) 158928</div>Everything has been considered. And, again, there is no need to mince words.[/b]

Alright then.

[Green Ranger]

Perhaps we should set up 'fortress' worlds that are considered unattackable for each faction? RPs could partake on the world, and small conflicts could occur, but all in all the ownership of these worlds would remain under their original owner. I think too much the RPs wars that have occured are to focused on invasion and conquering, and it doesn't touch on smaller things - crash landings on uncharted worlds, fleets engaging in combat on an interdicted hyperspace route etc. Also, an attack on a planet and taking out the government shouldn't really mean that the world is instantly under the other faction's control.Resistance and loyal groups would strike out at opportune moments, workers would go on strike, there would be riots, mass damage to infrastructure etc.

Another thing we need to look into is to put the Jedi and the Sith on an equal playing field. I've found that i've walked away several times due to the fact that, despite the civil wars that occur etc. the Sith are completely and totally untouchable, which is probably osmething that needs to change. I'm not suggesting anything like making the timeline after the enactment of the Rule of Two, but I do think that the Sith need to be, for lack of a better word, nerfed somewhat to make fighting against them and winning a more reasonable option.

Personally, I prefered the LA days when (cheapness aside) the wars weren't so focused on conquering, and the conflict focused on the tug-of-war aspect, where one faction would gain a little, but then a counter attack would cause them to lose a little, and so on.


But then, i've only just returned, so this is probably all misinformed BS :thumbsup:

[Yorick]

I like it.

[Doomsday]

Well, in terms of the Sith being overpowered, I'll be killing Nexus off at some point through the war, so we could do something to be like, "shits, Sith are skrewed" because he dies doing something crucial to Sith or something. I dunno. I'll post once again when I'm thinking more efficiently.

[Yorick]

Well, I personally do not see the Sith as "overpowered", as IMO there is only one good Sith. And that is Sin. I don't think he could do any other type of character justice, not after being a Sith for so long.

[Green Ranger]

Ah, Sin - the only RPer i've ever met who is type-cast. Still, he does good at what he does, but his overpoweredness still comes into play in things such as major battles, especially with his deliciously vague writing style. ;)

[Brandon Rhea]

Not to mention he writes like he lives in 1460.

[Green Ranger]

Maybe we should write like we live in 0 - Latin RP, anyone?

[Captain Kara]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Grim Ace @ Apr 13 2007, 09:46 PM) 158986</div>Maybe we should write like we live in 0 - Latin RP, anyone?[/b]

Etiam, permissum nos operor ut. Is vadum partum ultum tripudium.

I think that's right...but whatever. I like what I have read so far...concerning the ideas for the rps, seeing that I am now back in action.

[Green Ranger]

I was joking... *runs and hides*

[Eudemonia]

Without getting jumped on, I would like to pitch the concept of homelands for this system.

I was playing a mod for Rome: Total War called Europa Barbarorum (Excellent mod btw, very realistic) and it introduced a new way to look at a concept I've seen other places: Homelands and conquered territories.

I would like to propose four levels of territories that nations can own, each level being more subject to ill effects and rebellions as they decrease in ability to govern their territories. An optional add-on would shift the numbers for each level depending on government, with democratic, pacifistic governments having inherently smaller empires than highly authoritarian militaristic nations.

Level 1: Homeland, probably restricted to 5-10 systems tops. The core of the nation, best infrastructure and whatnot.

Level 2: Annexed territories, 10 additional systems with lowered levels of infrastructure and happiness among the population.

Level 3: Subjugated territories, 10 additional systems, lowered levels of everything.

Level 4: Client States: Any number past 25-30 systems. Populace hates the occupying power, below standard infrastructure unless the nation really works at it, low security.

This rule would prevent steam-rolling of huge powers like the Sith and make gigantic empires have the appropriate costs of manpower, economy, and political will.


Once again, I could personally make a very simple government scaling chart for this with each type of government having different max numbers for each level of control. Easy and no complicated rules.

[Green Ranger]

Considering this site is free-form RP oriented, implementing such a system is counter-productive against the type of RP that we use, imo.

[Eudemonia]

Well, it's just a suggestion that would stop mega empires from being invincible, that's all.

[Green Ranger]

Theoretically it would work, in a perfect world, but I think it just might not mesh well with Freeform.

[lakorish]

Hear, hear!

I know my idea's flawed. Our RP was set after the Trilogy, so obviously a lot of stuff has happened since now. New raced do produce a hassle and a possibility of lameness, but they do offer other stuff, like missions were we begin to understand them and stuff like that, but we can work to get that in in any situation. And the fighting back is good, so long as it happen sorta "secret ops" style. If its obvious or large scale, what kind of explanation can we make for why the outer rim planets still stay "free". Also, getting the Hutts involved would be interesting.

All in all, we would need to designate 5-10 people to temporally NPC the invading Army and consistently do so. The las thing we need it to give it to someone who all of a sudden cant be on and puts the whole RP on a stand still. 5-10 would allow us flexibility.

[Drago Solaris]

Say wha? What does the first bit mean? 'after the trilogy'?

Oh and Eudomonia what i am about to say i do not want you to take as an attack against you or your system.

What we implement here at the SWRP and always have done is a freeform RP system which means that as long as you can think up the story and not be cheap absaloubtly anything may happen within an RP. If you can manage it you could take a whole world single handedly, but again that would be very implausable. What your systems always try to put out are rules that restrict the RP making more fair possibly but alot less freeform and therefore alot less creative and fun. The rules that we the staff posted, if you read them, mainly outline how you should set out the RP's and not how you can RP. This is mainly to make it easier for the RP's to be moderated and to stop arguments over cheapness. These rules do not prevent freeform RP like yours do they just make it alot easier to manage. Your ideas were good but they simply could not be implimented on this site because it would take away from the freeform style we use here. So if you wish to develope rules in your own time then you may but in order for them to have any chance of being implimented they must be freeform friendly, if not they will never be used on the RP board. That being said if you still wish to use your ides the diverse RP board is open for RP'ing of any form and you could always attempt to start an RP using the rules there.

[Yorick]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Grim Ace @ Apr 14 2007, 12:44 AM) 158983</div>Ah, Sin - the only RPer i've ever met who is type-cast. Still, he does good at what he does, but his overpoweredness still comes into play in things such as major battles, especially with his deliciously vague writing style. ;)[/b]Well, he's not overpowered, someone just needs to actually RP their guy on a level playing field, and I don't mean he's better than all of us, I just mean someone has to RP their character to be as powerful. Like, actually block his strikes, move faster or as fast, etc. No one has done that so far, they all just get killed because they're not RPing their character to be more powerful than his. Plus some of the time it can be difficult to read old english, lol. As he is french-canadian and he sometimes mixes some words. But to those who have studied the old language, it's not hard to understand.

[Drago Solaris]

not to mention he IS the DL afterall so he is going to be pretty powerful.

[Keanu]

Ill be doing something watch out :biggrin:

[Green Ranger]

The things is, however, for any character of most factions to be powerful enough to tackle Sin's current character would mean they themselves would then be fairly overpowered, though If that's an invite to make a super-overpowered Jedi Master character i'll gladly accept ;)

[Keanu]

already have super not overpowered jedi knight.

[Green Ranger]

Yeah, but i'm cool.

[Sabre]

Let the rp die and become a porno site.

[The Agriculturist]

I second and third that notion.

[Astra de Aurora]

And I say that all of you oughta git yo ass on topic. :p

[lakorish]

I second Snake's motion.

So, what are we gonna do? I'd say have three or four people agree on a course of action and start different topics about different locales and levels of the galaxy. I'd be happy to one of them, but we gotta agree on something.

[Astra de Aurora]

Ideally, it would be the faction leaders starting the trouble. Or if a new faction comes into play, the head of that faction. We just need to come up with a plot that members would be interested in.

[Brandon Rhea]

"Plot" isn't the best word to use. "Basis" is a better word, as we need to come up with a basis for the war. A plot as a beginning, a middle and an end and we can only come up with the basis of the beginning. The site as a whole needs to come up with the basis and the faction leaders need to unleash hell.

[Astra de Aurora]

Here's a "basis" then.

A group of women banded together after having various bad experiences with males. They form a faction that is very feminist and consider males to be inferior. Since the factions are made up of pretty much just males, they are their major targets so they plant suicide bombs at important bases and blow the shit out of themselves.

For them to be a major threat however because only a few could really band so quickly, they've been out in hiding collecting more numbers and of course the war to exterminate this group may draw out more women who are sympathetic to their cause.

*Shrugs* It's an idea

[Green Ranger]

There's already several matriarchal societies that exist, such as the EbonClaw (though using them would require Lirr and Dena's permissions, I'd think), or you could even uses the Hapes Consortium. You could in fact have a situation with a Sith civil war to begin with, the Hapes Consortium and Mandalorian clans allied against the Republic, with the Jedi removed from the conflict completely.

[Yorick]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(*~The Snake Shadow~* @ Apr 17 2007, 10:44 PM) 160030</div>Here's a "basis" then.

A group of women banded together after having various bad experiences with males. They form a faction that is very feminist and consider males to be inferior. Since the factions are made up of pretty much just males, they are their major targets so they plant suicide bombs at important bases and blow the shit out of themselves.

For them to be a major threat however because only a few could really band so quickly, they've been out in hiding collecting more numbers and of course the war to exterminate this group may draw out more women who are sympathetic to their cause.

*Shrugs* It's an idea[/b]A lesbian faction set on killing everyone?

[Augustus]

Already had one off them.

It was crap

[Brandon Rhea]

I think we all know which one that was.

[Adam]

Or just let the RP unfold itselft, who says we need a plan?

[Yorick]

Obviously we do as we've all seen what happened.

[lakorish]

A plan, or at least some course of action. We need some sort of common backbone.

[Brandon Rhea]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(adroit @ Apr 18 2007, 09:47 PM) 160205</div>Obviously we do as we've all seen what happened.[/b]

Indeed.

[Astra de Aurora]

And instead of making ways to adjust the said idea or coming up with a new one you all just said you didn't disagree. That's why we got 14 pages in this thread and no set idea.

[Adam]

Perhaps on what you guys said earlier about having something done about factoin leaders but I still think that the rp shouldn't becontroled by some plan but better yet have some sort of guideline

[Lillianne Crasse]

sounds a little like the witches of Dathomir, Snake...lol. They fed men to their rancors who weren't suitable as mates.

[Brandon Rhea]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(*~The Snake Shadow~* @ Apr 18 2007, 11:37 PM) 160234</div>And instead of making ways to adjust the said idea or coming up with a new one you all just said you didn't disagree. That's why we got 14 pages in this thread and no set idea.[/b]

Why should I be the one to come up with new ideas? I'm letting the members do that. Back the **** off.

[Yorick]

OK, Bac, enough with the swearing and being a jerk. Like holy shit, that's my job.

And Katroti Kat Kitty, the lesbo faction thing was basically already done, except Adamis was in the faction as well... But anyway, the idea of a new race/faction coming in from the abyss to stir up the shit has been said numerous times, so I think that's already the general idea of what we're going to go with.

Now, I've asked for people to come and discuss this with me on MSN or whatever, as I'd be interested in possibly helping with this new faction/race that we'd create. So, if you have any input, and would like to talk about this, you can PM me, or add my MSN.

[Brandon Rhea]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(adroit @ Apr 19 2007, 03:51 PM) 160295</div>OK, Bac, enough with the swearing and being a jerk. Like holy shit, that's my job.[/b]

Didn't you see what Enishi said yesterday? The members don't want to be coddled, nor do they want us to set the example, so OBVIOUSLY I'm just doing what he said, as he is the spokesperson for all of the members. Afterall, I wouldn't want to make any member feel 'inferior'.

[Astra de Aurora]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(The Consort @ Apr 19 2007, 11:42 AM) 160291</div>Why should I be the one to come up with new ideas? I'm letting the members do that. Back the **** off.[/b]

And when did I say you were the one that had to come up with new ideas? I'm saying that all the people who said "No we shouldn't do that" come up with their own idea.

[Brandon Rhea]

I never said "me" speciffically. However, the comment was said in response to something I said, so therefore I responded accordingly.