North American Union

[Hunter]

I am not talking about the conspiracy theories, so get that out of here before you even bring it in.

Would you be in favor of a political and economical union between the United States, Mexico, and Canada; and possibly the nations of Central America? The creation of a North American Congress (or Parliament or whatever), a common currency, the creation of a single market, regional integration, and common united policies on trade (NAFTA) and such. Also common defense, which Canada/U.S. already have, but brining in Mexico into a NATO-esque defense policy.

[Yorick]

I don't want to become part of America, which is what would end up happening.

[Hunter]

I don't want to become part of America, which is what would end up happening.

That is understandable. If we did have a larger congressional body like the European Parliament, I can see why you would be concerned with American representation being larger than Mexico and Canada combined, but the expansion of Central American countries such as Guatemala, Costa Rica, El Salvador, Belize, Honduras, etc could turn that.

[Brandon Rhea]

Only the United States and Canada.

The rest of those countries can suck it.

[Hunter]

When it comes to our congressional body, the U.S. would just dominate it. I mean, of course, the MNAPs (Member of North American Parliament) would be divided, even the American ones, Canada would have little to no voice. And Mexico is awesome!

[Brandon Rhea]

And Mexico is awesome!

If there was an Amero (North American currency), the inclusion of Mexico would devalue it like there's no tomorrow.

[Hunter]

If there was an Amero (North American currency), the inclusion of Mexico would devalue it like there's no tomorrow.

First off, I hate the word Amero, just make it North American Dollar (NAD). Secondly, Mexico would not be included right away, more like an observer. Mexico would need to meet the criteria for ascension into the North American Union, similar to what the European Union does.

Or we could just make a badass Anglosphere organization, the member base being the United States, the United Kingdom, Australia, English Canada, New Zealand, South Africa, and India and tell Mexico and Quebec to go **** themselves? :o

[Doomsday]

When it comes to our congressional body, the U.S. would just dominate it. I mean, of course, the MNAPs (Member of North American Parliament) would be divided, even the American ones, Canada would have little to no voice. And Mexico is awesome!
They'd never use population-weighted representation.

[Hunter]

They'd never use population-weighted representation.

That would be fair and unfair at the same time. The U.S. would probably carry more interest being it has 310,000,000 people in it, with Mexico having 111,000,000ish. Canada has a mere 34,000,000ish population.

[Doomsday]

That would be fair and unfair at the same time. The U.S. would probably carry more interest being it has 310,000,000 people in it, with Mexico having 111,000,000ish. Canada has a mere 34,000,000ish population.
No, unfair is America having an automatic absolute majority. The 'Union' would turn in to a United States hegemony.

[Logan_E]

No. I would not agree to a union with other countries, then we would probably have to sacrifice some freedoms and let others have a voice in governing us. Just opens the door to too many possibilities like that. At least in my mind.

[Will]

When it comes to our congressional body, the U.S. would just dominate it. I mean, of course, the MNAPs (Member of North American Parliament) would be divided, even the American ones, Canada would have little to no voice. And Mexico is awesome!

It would be America, north America is the USA.

And an Anglosphere is just racism.

[Keanu]

No. I would not agree to a union with other countries, then we would probably have to sacrifice some freedoms and let others have a voice in governing us. Just opens the door to too many possibilities like that. At least in my mind.

because america is the frontier of human social laws and rights. right?

*snicker*

[Viggy]

The 'Union' would turn in to a United States hegemony.

That's what would inevitably happen anyway, which is why this is an awful idea.

[Logan_E]

because america is the frontier of human social laws and rights. right?

*snicker*

I don't recall saying that. I said I don't want to be ruled by people from other nations. I don't want to sacrifice the freedoms I already have in the name of compromising with other countries in a 'union.'

And concerning social laws and rights-we are a whole helluva lot further along than a lot of countries.

[Doomsday]

It would be America, north America is the USA.

And an Anglosphere is just racism.
What? Sorry, but you're forgetting two out of three North American countries, bud.

[Hunter]

No. I would not agree to a union with other countries, then we would probably have to sacrifice some freedoms and let others have a voice in governing us. Just opens the door to too many possibilities like that. At least in my mind.

Sacrifice freedoms? If we carried stuff over from Mexico and Canada, we would GAIN freedoms!!!!!!!

Gay marriage and 18 year old drinking age!!!!!!!!!

Hell yeah!!!!!!

It would be America, north America is the USA.

And an Anglosphere is just racism.

Since when is me grouping people based on linguistics racist?

That is like Japan calling the members of La Francophonie racists because they will not let Japan join.

What? Sorry, but you're forgetting two out of three North American countries, bud.

Common misconception that I make as well, but there is more to North America than the NAFTA nations. You got all those little Spanish Central American nations like Honduras and Belize, and the Caribbean nations like Cuba and Dominican Republic.

[Logan_E]

Sacrifice freedoms? If we carried stuff over from Mexico and Canada, we would GAIN freedoms!!!!!!!

Gay marriage and 18 year old drinking age!!!!!!!!!

Hell yeah!!!!!!


We wouldn't just get to pick and choose at random what we want. For example, I would not want to carry over gay marriage and 18 years of age as the drinking age as well as carry over restrictions on firearms. If you want gay marriage and to change the drinking age you can do that here, in this country, without sacrificing other freedoms at the expense of gaining more minor ones.

Not saying gay marriage is minor, but I believe it is when compared to what we would be trading it for. We can just work on that on our own without needing approval from any other country.

[Hunter]

We wouldn't just get to pick and choose at random what we want. For example, I would not want to carry over gay marriage and 18 years of age as the drinking age as well as carry over restrictions on firearms. If you want gay marriage and to change the drinking age you can do that here, in this country, without sacrificing other freedoms at the expense of gaining more minor ones.

Not saying gay marriage is minor, but I believe it is when compared to what we would be trading it for. We can just work on that on our own without needing approval from any other country.

You do know that not every single thing has to transfer between Mexico and Canada to us right?

Internal laws are usually the responsibility of the sovereign nation's government, however, the purpose of a union is to have a united stance on trade, defense, and other such things.

While the European Union does have some things such as a common fishery and agricultural policies, the right of an EU citizen to dwell in any nation (is that 100% right, Keanu or any Brit?), and other things, that does not mean the NAU would have to adopt such policies.

I mean, the African Union somewhat modeled itself after the EU, but maybe the AU is not a good example.

Anyway, the NAU would essentially also help in curving the influence of the Bolivarian Alliance (Alternative) for the Americas and the soon-to-be Union of South American Nations.

[Doomsday]

Yes, the USA would surely love the fact that Mexicans could legally live in their country now.

The Union would only work with defense and trade, and perhaps agricultural and fishery policies.

[Hunter]

Yes, the USA would surely love the fact that Mexicans could legally live in their country now.

The Union would only work with defense and trade, and perhaps agricultural and fishery policies.

I honestly had not taken that into consideration. But, before Mexico could join the NAU, it would have to meet criteria set by Canada and the United States (it is obvious these two would be the founding members, as I doubt any other nation in the North American continent currently has the same standards).

[Keanu]

We wouldn't just get to pick and choose at random what we want. For example, I would not want to carry over gay marriage and 18 years of age as the drinking age as well as carry over restrictions on firearms. If you want gay marriage and to change the drinking age you can do that here, in this country, without sacrificing other freedoms at the expense of gaining more minor ones.

Not saying gay marriage is minor, but I believe it is when compared to what we would be trading it for. We can just work on that on our own without needing approval from any other country.

Yes because gay marriage law and lower drinking age laws are such a step backwards to what the US has now.

[Hunter]

Yes because gay marriage law and lower drinking age laws are such a step backwards to what the US has now.

The Netherlands is the greatest nation in the world.

I vote for the Netherlands to be called the "Leader of the Free World."

What we are fighting to achieve here is stuff they take for granted over there, most likely.

[Sammamish]

I think the USA should control the continent we live on like a one hemisphere to one hemisphere type a thing like from sea to shining sea thing when we wanted from NY to Cali. The USA would be the greatest country ever in the history of the world. The United States of the Western Hemisphere.

[Will]

The Netherlands is the greatest nation in the world.

I vote for the Netherlands to be called the "Leader of the Free World."

What we are fighting to achieve here is stuff they take for granted over there, most likely.

Nah, those dutch guys are silly. They can't get the 's' right.

[Logan_E]

Yes because gay marriage law and lower drinking age laws are such a step backwards to what the US has now.


I never said it was a step backwards. Now you are trying to put words in my mouth. We don't need other nations telling us what to do. A union would take away our power to solely govern ourselves. Joining a union to simply legalize gay marriage and change the drinking age is ridiculous. We might "gain" some freedoms, but we would lose a lot more.

[Grath Wyvrin]

First off, I hate the word Amero, just make it North American Dollar (NAD).

So our new currency would be named after the male reproductive organ?

[Hunter]

I think the USA should control the continent we live on like a one hemisphere to one hemisphere type a thing like from sea to shining sea thing when we wanted from NY to Cali. The USA would be the greatest country ever in the history of the world. The United States of the Western Hemisphere.

Please, no.

[Santoro]

Please, no.

Why not? Manifest destiny!

[Keanu]

Why not? Manifest destiny!

European manifest destiny starts where the next US manifest destiny starts and instantly ends

[Checkerboard]

I like the advantages of having Canada close at hand and yet not part of my country. I would prefer they remain independent.

I dunno about annexing mexico. But I guess that would solve a few problems amongst all the ones it would cause.

[Commodore]

European manifest destiny starts where the next US manifest destiny starts and instantly ends

But you guys already had that. Then some guy just had to shoot at an inopportune time and you guys lost it.